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    Re: Canadian man living in Broward pleads guilty to voting illegally in 08 president

    Quote Originally Posted by Grim17 View Post
    The constitution does state that we have a right to own a gun, but it does not say that voting is our right.

    If it does, please show me where?
    It doesn't, but the SCOTUS has recognized that right regardless. What do you think the 14th and 19th Amendments are?

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    Re: Canadian man living in Broward pleads guilty to voting illegally in 08 president

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    And don't think the targeting of ACORN was an accident. It's all tied together.
    And of course the constant attacks on unions. The whole thing is a cynical, underhanded effort to steal elections.
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    Re: Canadian man living in Broward pleads guilty to voting illegally in 08 president

    Quote Originally Posted by AdamT View Post
    And of course the constant attacks on unions. The whole thing is a cynical, underhanded effort to steal elections.
    Pretty sure the current GOP realizes their old, white person base is shrinking and that their particular brand of right-wing politics will be obsolete in 50 years.

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    Re: Canadian man living in Broward pleads guilty to voting illegally in 08 president

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    And of course the constant attacks on unions. The whole thing is a cynical, underhanded effort to steal elections.
    You mean like ACORN being sued for voter registration fraud in at least 11 states?

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    Democrats are split on how to deal with Acorn, the liberal "community organizing" group that deployed thousands of get-out-the-vote workers last election. State and city Democratic officials -- who've been contending with its many scandals -- are moving against it. Washington Democrats are still sweeping Acorn abuses under a rug.

    On Monday, Nevada officials charged Acorn, its regional director and its Las Vegas field director with submitting thousands of fraudulent voter registration forms last year. Larry Lomax, the registrar of voters in Las Vegas, says he believes 48% of Acorn's forms "are clearly fraudulent." On Thursday, prosecutors in Pittsburgh, Pa., also charged seven Acorn employees with filing hundreds of fraudulent voter registrations before last year's general election.

    Acorn spokesman Scott Levenson calls the Nevada criminal complaint "political grandstanding" and says that any problems were the actions of an unnamed "bad employee." But Catherine Cortez Masto, Nevada's Democratic Attorney General, told the Las Vegas Sun that Acorn itself is named in the criminal complaint. She says that Acorn's training manuals "clearly detail, condone and . . . require illegal acts," such as requiring its workers to meet strict voter-registration targets to keep their jobs.

    Other Democrats on the ground have complaints. Fred Voight, deputy election commissioner in Philadelphia, protested after Acorn (according to the registrar of voters and his own investigation) submitted at least 1,500 fraudulent registrations last fall. "This has been going on for a number of years," he told CNN in October. St. Louis Democrat Matthew Potter, the city's deputy elections director, had similar complaints.

    Elsewhere, Washington state prosecutors fined Acorn $25,000 after several employees were convicted of voter registration fraud in 2007. The group signed a consent decree with King County (Seattle), requiring it to beef up its oversight or face criminal prosecution. In the 2008 election, Acorn's practices led to investigations, some ongoing, in 14 other states.
    More Acorn Voter Fraud Comes to Light - WSJ.com
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    Re: Canadian man living in Broward pleads guilty to voting illegally in 08 president

    Quote Originally Posted by Grim17 View Post
    I'm sorry to have to be the one to break this to you, but voting is not a constitutional right.
    You are not "breaking it to me", but are getting twisted off on a technically. Yes, there is no explicit right to vote in the constitution. It is implicit. The constitution and its amendments make many references to not denying "the rights of citizens to vote". Yes, it leaves the registration/eligibility requirements to the states, but offers many boundries to that process. Some of our voting rights are articulated in legislation and court cases.

    No where in the Constitution is there an explicit right to own a handgun, yet through Constitutional interpretation that right is now pretty well established. If I referred to the Constitutional right to own a handgun I doubt I would be challenged in that statement; but prior to Heller v. D.C. in 2008, you would have been able to rightfully say that no where in the Constitution is there an individual right to own a gun... actually, you can still say it.

    But, we are digressing. Do you really want to tell us that voting is not a right?

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    Re: Canadian man living in Broward pleads guilty to voting illegally in 08 president

    Quote Originally Posted by Schutzengel View Post
    You mean like ACORN being sued for voter registration fraud in at least 11 states?



    More Acorn Voter Fraud Comes to Light - WSJ.com
    Acorn was being charged with registration fraud; not voter fraud. Sorry, but this silliness continues. There are almost zero cases of real voter fraud, and the impact of all voter fraud collectively would not change to outcome of single election.

    Let's look at this practically. Is there anyone here that actually believes that you can falsely register enough people AND get those people to vote illegally (at the risk of being charged with voter fraud carrying a penalty of one to five years in prison). Why would anyone risk serious prison time to give but one more vote to someone. There is almost zero probability that one, ten, 100, 1000 votes would affect the outcome of an election. What idiot, after reviewing that risk/reward equation behind such a proposition even consider participating. Moreover, to change an outcome, you would need lots of participants making the conspiracy exponentially harder to pull off.

    This just defies the test of reasonableness.. There is no problem. Its just voter suppression. Anyone that thinks otherwise is terribly misinformed, intellectually lazy or disingenuous (although, you would not actually "think otherwise" if you were disingenuous)

    If people have all this energy and want to solve problems that actually exist, matter and lack sufficient attention, try global warming.
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    Re: Canadian man living in Broward pleads guilty to voting illegally in 08 president

    We have a bunch of election fraud here in Michigan of late.

    Republican Speaker of the House Jayce Bolger is being investigated for attempting to fix a House election in favor of a former Democrat who jumped parties with his help. They attempted to put up a phony Dem candidate who would lose badly and have Bolgers flunkie put it.

    http://www.freep.com/article/2012082...ixed-reactions

    LANSING -- News on Tuesday that an Ingham County judge will conduct a grand jury investigation into the conduct of House Speaker Jase Bolger and state Rep. Roy Schmidt drew praise from Democrats but charges of judge shopping from Republicans. Ingham Circuit Judge Rosemarie Aquilina will examine whether Bolger, R-Marshall, or Schmidt, R-Grand Rapids, conspired to commit perjury or other crimes when they recruited a fake state House candidate in Grand Rapids. The one-woman grand jury is the latest development in a political scandal that has unfolded for more than three months amid a stream of explosive text messages and other records released under the Michigan Freedom of Information Act.

    The drama began with Schmidt's May 15 jump from the Democrats to the Republicans, just ahead of the filing deadline for the Aug. 7 primary. His switch coincided with the last-minute Democratic candidacy of Matt Mojzak, a 22-year-old acquaintance of Schmidt's son. The candidacy papers for both Schmidt and Mojzak were delivered to the Kent County clerk by Phil Browne, a top aide to Bolger. Records show Bolger and Schmidt consulted extensively on the scheme. Schmidt offered Mojzak $450 -- later upped to $1,000 -- to take a dive in the election while making it hard for Democrats to mount a write-in challenge.

    And then there is Republican Thad McCotter, a multiple term US Representative who resigned in disgrace recently when it was found he submitted fraudulent and forged petitions to put him on the ballot. We then discovered that he did the same thing for his previous two terms and never should have been on the ballot for those terms either.

    http://www.freep.com/article/2012081...ter-discovered

    A review of the nominating petitions turned in for McCotter's elections from 2002 through 2012 shows he did not have enough signatures to qualify to run in at least the 2008, 2010 and 2012 elections. The skullduggery wasn't detected until this year, when a part-time staffer for the Secretary of State found that of the more than 1,800 signatures turned in by the McCotter campaign for 2012, only 244 were valid.


    I do not know if either Republican had any acorns in their pockets.

    Yup - election fraud is pretty bad in Michigan of late.
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    Re: Canadian man living in Broward pleads guilty to voting illegally in 08 president

    Quote Originally Posted by haymarket View Post
    We have a bunch of election fraud here in Michigan of late.

    Republican Speaker of the House Jayce Bolger is being investigated for attempting to fix a House election in favor of a former Democrat who jumped parties with his help. They attempted to put up a phone Dem candidate who would lose badly and have Bolgers flunkie put it.

    Investigation into conduct of Jase Bolger, Roy Schmidt draws mixed reactions | Politics/Election 2012 | Detroit Free Press | freep.com



    And then there is Republican Thad McCotter, a multiple term US Representative who resigned in disgrace recently when it was found eh submitted fraudulent and forged petitions to put him on the ballot. We then discovered that he did the same thing for his previous two terms and never should have been on the ballot for those terms either.

    Yup - election fraud is pretty bad in Michigan of late.
    yes, I agree and it needs to stop everywhere it is found, just as voter intimidation should stop everywhere it is found regardless...

    and if you dont think resistration frad leads to voter fraud... why would anyone register voters that will never vote?

    I think this is part of the reason dems dont want IDs at the polls.
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    Re: Canadian man living in Broward pleads guilty to voting illegally in 08 president

    Quote Originally Posted by Schutzengel View Post
    yes, I agree and it needs to stop everywhere it is found, just as voter intimidation should stop everywhere it is found regardless...

    and if you dont think resistration frad leads to voter fraud... why would anyone register voters that will never vote?

    I think this is part of the reason dems dont want IDs at the polls.
    I would be more than happy to look at your figures on actual voter fraud in actual elections. Please do present it.
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    Re: Canadian man living in Broward pleads guilty to voting illegally in 08 president

    Quote Originally Posted by haymarket View Post
    I would be more than happy to look at your figures on actual voter fraud in actual elections. Please do present it.
    There wouldnt be any it's as simple as this... Voting without ID is on an honor system, if the name is in the system, then that's all you need ... no fraud, you are in the system...



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