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    Re: Canadian man living in Broward pleads guilty to voting illegally in 08 president

    Quote Originally Posted by Fruityfact View Post
    What has a biggest impact on getting the actual voter demographic...less than a HUNDRED THOUSANDTH of a percent of voter fraud or hundreds of thousands of disfranchised voters.
    Its almost as if you want to disenfranchise voters...
    Specifically, they want to disenfranchise poor and minority voters who tend to vote Democratic. That is the only election fraud going on here.
    "The necessaries of life occasion the great expense of the poor. They find it difficult to get food, and the greater part of their little revenue is spent in getting it. The luxuries and vanities of life occasion the principal expense of the rich, and a magnificent house embellishes and sets off to the best advantage all the other luxuries and vanities which they possess. ... It is not very unreasonable that the rich should contribute to the public expense, not only in proportion to their revenue, but something more than in that proportion."

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    Re: Canadian man living in Broward pleads guilty to voting illegally in 08 president

    Quote Originally Posted by sawyerloggingon View Post
    I don't know how I can make it more simple for you. There is only one way to insure that only US citizens vote and that is with voter ID. This solves any voter fraud issues and everyone can rest assured in the final outcome of an election.
    Simply not true. Amazing how you've simply ignored my post directed at you.
    No men are anywhere, and Im allowed to go in, because Im the owner of the pageant and therefore Im inspecting it, Trump said... Is everyone OK? You know, theyre standing there with no clothes. Is everybody OK? And you see these incredible looking women, and so I sort of get away with things like that.

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    Re: Canadian man living in Broward pleads guilty to voting illegally in 08 president

    Quote Originally Posted by Wiseone View Post
    The Constitution states firearm ownership as a right, yet we can restrict that as well. Simply being able to restrict doesn't mean something isn't a right.
    The constitution does state that we have a right to own a gun, but it does not say that voting is our right.

    If it does, please show me where?

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    Re: Canadian man living in Broward pleads guilty to voting illegally in 08 president

    Quote Originally Posted by clownboy View Post
    Not legally, in any state now. At least with the smokes and the booze.

    And the Brennan Center is full of ****e. It's not difficult or expensive to get a copy of your birth cert. And as has been mentioned, listing students and the disabled as likely to not have it, nonsense. Both require regular interactions with government that require photo ID. The elderly and the poor have no excuse. Don't know of a single state that does not have programs to help those folks get a state photo ID.
    Justify it all you want, I am simply stating facts. Despite how much you want to ignore and change the goal posts, it is fact:

    1) 15% of the population does not have the proper PHOTO ID
    2) Voter fraud (at the the type of fraud that a photo ID can prevent) happens less than a person getting hit by lightening.

    How can you justify the spending of implementing such laws, when you bitch about how much your government is spending. Jeepers, call me crazy, but I SIMPLY DON'T GET IT.
    No men are anywhere, and Im allowed to go in, because Im the owner of the pageant and therefore Im inspecting it, Trump said... Is everyone OK? You know, theyre standing there with no clothes. Is everybody OK? And you see these incredible looking women, and so I sort of get away with things like that.

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    Re: Canadian man living in Broward pleads guilty to voting illegally in 08 president

    Quote Originally Posted by sawyerloggingon View Post
    It's almost like you Lefty's want illegals to vote.
    It's almost like you righties have to resort to these underhanded tactics in order to win elections.
    No men are anywhere, and Im allowed to go in, because Im the owner of the pageant and therefore Im inspecting it, Trump said... Is everyone OK? You know, theyre standing there with no clothes. Is everybody OK? And you see these incredible looking women, and so I sort of get away with things like that.

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    Re: Canadian man living in Broward pleads guilty to voting illegally in 08 president

    Quote Originally Posted by AdamT View Post
    Specifically, they want to disenfranchise poor and minority voters who tend to vote Democratic. That is the only election fraud going on here.
    And don't think the targeting of ACORN was an accident. It's all tied together.
    No men are anywhere, and Im allowed to go in, because Im the owner of the pageant and therefore Im inspecting it, Trump said... Is everyone OK? You know, theyre standing there with no clothes. Is everybody OK? And you see these incredible looking women, and so I sort of get away with things like that.

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    Re: Canadian man living in Broward pleads guilty to voting illegally in 08 president

    Quote Originally Posted by AdamT View Post
    Specifically, they want to disenfranchise poor and minority voters who tend to vote Democratic. That is the only election fraud going on here.
    Well, let's see here.

    Are the poor given free ID's if they can't afford them?

    The answer is yes. In the Supreme Court decision in the Crawford v. Marion County Election Board case, Justice Stevens wrote in the majority opinion that:

    "The relevant burdens here are those imposed on eligible voters who lack photo identification cards that comply with SEA 483. Because Indiana’s cards are free, the inconvenience of going to the Bureau of Motor Vehicles, gathering required documents, and posing for a photograph does not qualify as a substantial burden on most voters’ right to vote, or represent a significant increase over the usual burdens of voting."


    That makes it quite clear that if states are going to require ID cards to vote, they must offer them free of charge so that those who can't afford them are not disenfranchised.

    How does requiring an ID pose more of a burden to minority voters, than it does to majority voters?

    The answer is, it doesn't. All citizens regardless of race, are issued the same legal birth certificates, the same citizenship papers, have access to the same government facilities and modes of public transportation, are charged the same amount of money for a legal ID if they can afford one, and both are offered one free if they can not.

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    Re: Canadian man living in Broward pleads guilty to voting illegally in 08 president

    Quote Originally Posted by Wiseone View Post
    Not wanting to disenfranchise thousands of people to catch 5 or 6 doesn't make sense?
    Stores in the US lose millions of dollars a year to theft, but very few people are ever arrested for shoplifting. Using your logic, stores shouldn't use security cameras and scanners because there are very few shoplifters.

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    Re: Canadian man living in Broward pleads guilty to voting illegally in 08 president

    Quote Originally Posted by Grim17 View Post
    Stores in the US lose millions of dollars a year to theft, but very few people are ever arrested for shoplifting. Using your logic, stores shouldn't use security cameras and scanners because there are very few shoplifters.
    Using your logic we shouldn't let people into the stores without I.D.
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    Re: Canadian man living in Broward pleads guilty to voting illegally in 08 president

    Quote Originally Posted by Gonzo Rodeo View Post
    Ok, why would this law discourage or prevent the elderly, the poor, and students from voting?
    Poor people don't usually have fifteen or twenty bucks lying around to buy an ID from the state. They tend to spend that money on important things, like food, or rent, or utility bills or school supplies for their kids. Elderly people, too. Fixed incomes are sparse. Plus, states have closed down many DMV's in order to save money. In the last town I lived in, there was one DMV for four or five towns. And the DMV was in the town with the least elderly people and with higher incomes. How is an old lady supposed to get from her small town to the larger city forty miles away when there is no bus line?

    No one is saying it's impossible for these groups to get an ID. But it can be challenging for many people, and often they just won't do it, which in effect means they can no longer vote. The right to vote, IMO, is more important than a law requiring IDs to vote when there is effectively zero need to have such a law.

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