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    Re: Canadian man living in Broward pleads guilty to voting illegally in 08 president

    Quote Originally Posted by Gonzo Rodeo View Post
    Where in that article does it detail exactly HOW voter ID laws target and suppress certain groups? I saw how these laws are commonplace in Europe, how some people claim it is a minor inconvenience that we already deal with for everything else, and how others claim it is discriminatory to some groups.... but no HOW. HOW is it discriminatory?
    Selective reading, my friend.

    Opponents argue that photo ID requirements disproportionately affect minority, handicapped and elderly voters who don't normally maintain driver's licenses, and therefore that requiring such groups to obtain and keep track of photo IDs that are otherwise unneeded is a suppression tactic aimed at those groups.[5]
    Indiana's photo ID law barred twelve retired nuns in South Bend, Indiana from voting in that state's 2008 Democratic primary election. The women lacked the photo IDs required under a state law that was upheld by the U.S. Supreme Court in April 2008. John Borkowski, a South Bend lawyer volunteering as an election watchdog for the Lawyers' Committee for Civil Rights Under Law, said, "This law was passed supposedly to prevent and deter voter fraud, even though there was no real record of serious voter fraud in Indiana."[6][7]
    Proponents of a similar law proposed for Texas in March 2009 also argued that photo identification was necessary to prevent widespread voter fraud. Opponents respond that there is no evidence of such voter fraud in Texas, so no remedy is required, especially if such a remedy would decrease voting by senior citizens, the disabled, and lower-income residents. Opponents cited a study asserting that 1 million of the state's 13.5 million registered voters do not have a photo ID.[4]
    No men are anywhere, and Im allowed to go in, because Im the owner of the pageant and therefore Im inspecting it, Trump said... Is everyone OK? You know, theyre standing there with no clothes. Is everybody OK? And you see these incredible looking women, and so I sort of get away with things like that.

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    Re: Canadian man living in Broward pleads guilty to voting illegally in 08 president

    Quote Originally Posted by Gonzo Rodeo View Post
    What are the arguments that make the case for voter ID laws being discriminatory and/or of a suppressing nature?
    Because democrats say they are... Just like critisizing Obama makes you a racist.

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    Re: Canadian man living in Broward pleads guilty to voting illegally in 08 president

    Quote Originally Posted by Grim17 View Post
    Because democrats say they are... Just like critisizing Obama makes you a racist.
    Always the victim Grim.

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    Re: Canadian man living in Broward pleads guilty to voting illegally in 08 president

    Quote Originally Posted by Wiseone View Post
    Not everyone has a photo ID.
    The argument put forth was that it was specifically discriminatory to the poor, the elderly, and to students. Since the poor, the elderly, and students all have the same access to ID that I have, as well as fall under all the same laws that I do concerning requirement for ID (cashing a check, buying alcohol, entry to certain places, etc....), how, exactly, is requiring ID to vote in any way discriminatory?
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    Re: Canadian man living in Broward pleads guilty to voting illegally in 08 president

    Quote Originally Posted by Gonzo Rodeo View Post
    The argument put forth was that it was specifically discriminatory to the poor, the elderly, and to students. Since the poor, the elderly, and students all have the same access to ID that I have, as well as fall under all the same laws that I do concerning requirement for ID (cashing a check, buying alcohol, entry to certain places, etc....), how, exactly, is requiring ID to vote in any way discriminatory?
    Do you not think the poor, elderly and students are less likely than the rest of the population to have:
    1) A driver's license
    2) A passport

    ???
    No men are anywhere, and Im allowed to go in, because Im the owner of the pageant and therefore Im inspecting it, Trump said... Is everyone OK? You know, theyre standing there with no clothes. Is everybody OK? And you see these incredible looking women, and so I sort of get away with things like that.

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    Re: Canadian man living in Broward pleads guilty to voting illegally in 08 president

    Quote Originally Posted by Middleground View Post
    Those pushing for these ID laws know full well that the elderly, the poor and the students will most likely not vote because of it. That is the sole reason. It has absolutely ZERO to do with voter fraud because voter fraud is about as common as a pig flying.
    Isn't an ID required to register for college?
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    Re: Canadian man living in Broward pleads guilty to voting illegally in 08 president

    Quote Originally Posted by Wiseone View Post
    Always the victim Grim.
    Always critisizing me wiseone.

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    Re: Canadian man living in Broward pleads guilty to voting illegally in 08 president

    Quote Originally Posted by Republic Now! View Post
    Isn't an ID required to register for college?
    Odd question. I don't know... is it???
    No men are anywhere, and Im allowed to go in, because Im the owner of the pageant and therefore Im inspecting it, Trump said... Is everyone OK? You know, theyre standing there with no clothes. Is everybody OK? And you see these incredible looking women, and so I sort of get away with things like that.

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    Re: Canadian man living in Broward pleads guilty to voting illegally in 08 president

    Quote Originally Posted by Middleground View Post
    Odd question. I don't know... is it???
    I don't think it's an odd question at all. If you're saying students will be disenfranchised, but they MUST necessarily have IDs in order to be students, then what disenfranchises them?

    I needed to show an ID when I registered for college, but that was awhile ago.
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    Re: Canadian man living in Broward pleads guilty to voting illegally in 08 president

    Quote Originally Posted by Gonzo Rodeo View Post
    The argument put forth was that it was specifically discriminatory to the poor, the elderly, and to students. Since the poor, the elderly, and students all have the same access to ID that I have, as well as fall under all the same laws that I do concerning requirement for ID (cashing a check, buying alcohol, entry to certain places, etc....), how, exactly, is requiring ID to vote in any way discriminatory?
    Evidence that eleven to twelve percent of voting-age Americans nationwide do not possess the kind of photo ID required by the strictest voter ID laws supports opponents’ claims. This percentage is higher for seniors (eighteen percent), African Americans (twenty-five percent), and low-income Americans (fifteen percent). Additionally, seven percent of voting age citizens do not have ready access to the citizenship documents necessary to obtain a photo ID. A 2007 Indiana-specific telephone survey found that thirteen percent of registered voters and sixteen percent of all voting-eligible adults lacked a photo ID.
    http://journalistsresource.org/wp-co...nd-Turnout.pdf

    Voter ID | Brennan Center for Justice

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