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Canadian man living in Broward pleads guilty to voting illegally in ‘08 presidential

Re: Canadian man living in Broward pleads guilty to voting illegally in ‘08 president

I'm sorry to have to be the one to break this to you, but voting is not a constitutional right.

The 26th amendment states "The right of citizens of the United States, who are eighteen years of age or older, to vote shall not be denied or abridged by the United States or by any State on account of age. The Congress shall have the power to enforce this article by appropriate legislation."

It clearly states voting is a right protected under the Constitution. The amendment obviously deals with voting age, however its wording "The right of the Citizens of the United States... to vote" is clear as day.
 
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I don't know how I can make it more simple for you. There is only one way to insure that only US citizens vote and that is with voter ID. This solves any voter fraud issues and everyone can rest assured in the final outcome of an election.

No sir, it does not. It prevents the least likely, and least effective facet of voter fraud.
 
Re: Canadian man living in Broward pleads guilty to voting illegally in ‘08 president

The 26th amendment states "The right of citizens of the United States, who are eighteen years of age or older, to vote shall not be denied or abridged by the United States or by any State on account of age. The Congress shall have the power to enforce this article by appropriate legislation."

It clearly states voting is a right protected under the Constitution. The amendment obviously deals with voting age, however its wording "The right of the Citizens of the United States... to vote" is clear as day.

The 26th amendment only prevents states and the federal government from setting a voting age higher than 18.

I really don't want to go over this AGAIN... Just show me where in the constitution it states that voting is the right of every citizen?
 
Re: Canadian man living in Broward pleads guilty to voting illegally in ‘08 president

The 26th amendment only prevents states and the federal government from setting a voting age higher than 18.

I really don't want to go over this AGAIN... Just show me where in the constitution it states that voting is the right of every citizen?

It doesn't specifically say that, however when you combine all the provision that prevent voter discrimination what you are left with is no different. The Constitution makes several reference to the right of the citizens to vote, but that doesn't count for you?
 
Re: Canadian man living in Broward pleads guilty to voting illegally in ‘08 president

It doesn't specifically say that, however when you combine all the provision that prevent voter discrimination what you are left with is no different. The Constitution makes several reference to the right of the citizens to vote, but that doesn't count for you?

The constitution does not specify that voting is a citizens right. If it did, then states couldn't deny voting to convicted felons.

States have always been allowed to put certain rules and restrictions on voting. All the constitution does is state the methods that States can not use to restrict voting, in order to prevent discimination.

Voting is now and always has been a priviledge, not a right.
 
Re: Canadian man living in Broward pleads guilty to voting illegally in ‘08 president

It's almost like you Lefty's want illegals to vote.

That's the only conclusion that makes any logical sense.
 
Re: Canadian man living in Broward pleads guilty to voting illegally in ‘08 president

The constitution does not specify that voting is a citizens right. If it did, then states couldn't deny voting to convicted felons.

States have always been allowed to put certain rules and restrictions on voting. All the constitution does is state the methods that States can not use to restrict voting, in order to prevent discimination.

Voting is now and always has been a priviledge, not a right.

The Constitution states firearm ownership as a right, yet we can restrict that as well. Simply being able to restrict doesn't mean something isn't a right.
 
Re: Canadian man living in Broward pleads guilty to voting illegally in ‘08 president

That's the only conclusion that makes any logical sense.

What has a biggest impact on getting the actual voter demographic...less than a HUNDRED THOUSANDTH of a percent of voter fraud or hundreds of thousands of disfranchised voters.
Its almost as if you want to disenfranchise voters...
 
Re: Canadian man living in Broward pleads guilty to voting illegally in ‘08 president

That's the only conclusion that makes any logical sense.

Not wanting to disenfranchise thousands of people to catch 5 or 6 doesn't make sense?
 
Re: Canadian man living in Broward pleads guilty to voting illegally in ‘08 president

What has a biggest impact on getting the actual voter demographic...less than a HUNDRED THOUSANDTH of a percent of voter fraud or hundreds of thousands of disfranchised voters.
Its almost as if you want to disenfranchise voters...

Specifically, they want to disenfranchise poor and minority voters who tend to vote Democratic. That is the only election fraud going on here.
 
Re: Canadian man living in Broward pleads guilty to voting illegally in ‘08 president

I don't know how I can make it more simple for you. There is only one way to insure that only US citizens vote and that is with voter ID. This solves any voter fraud issues and everyone can rest assured in the final outcome of an election.

Simply not true. Amazing how you've simply ignored my post directed at you.
 
Re: Canadian man living in Broward pleads guilty to voting illegally in ‘08 president

The Constitution states firearm ownership as a right, yet we can restrict that as well. Simply being able to restrict doesn't mean something isn't a right.

The constitution does state that we have a right to own a gun, but it does not say that voting is our right.

If it does, please show me where?
 
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Not legally, in any state now. At least with the smokes and the booze.

And the Brennan Center is full of ****e. It's not difficult or expensive to get a copy of your birth cert. And as has been mentioned, listing students and the disabled as likely to not have it, nonsense. Both require regular interactions with government that require photo ID. The elderly and the poor have no excuse. Don't know of a single state that does not have programs to help those folks get a state photo ID.

Justify it all you want, I am simply stating facts. Despite how much you want to ignore and change the goal posts, it is fact:

1) 15% of the population does not have the proper PHOTO ID
2) Voter fraud (at the the type of fraud that a photo ID can prevent) happens less than a person getting hit by lightening.

How can you justify the spending of implementing such laws, when you bitch about how much your government is spending. Jeepers, call me crazy, but I SIMPLY DON'T GET IT.
 
Re: Canadian man living in Broward pleads guilty to voting illegally in ‘08 president

It's almost like you Lefty's want illegals to vote.

It's almost like you righties have to resort to these underhanded tactics in order to win elections. :roll:
 
Re: Canadian man living in Broward pleads guilty to voting illegally in ‘08 president

Specifically, they want to disenfranchise poor and minority voters who tend to vote Democratic. That is the only election fraud going on here.

And don't think the targeting of ACORN was an accident. It's all tied together.
 
Re: Canadian man living in Broward pleads guilty to voting illegally in ‘08 president

Specifically, they want to disenfranchise poor and minority voters who tend to vote Democratic. That is the only election fraud going on here.

Well, let's see here.

Are the poor given free ID's if they can't afford them?

The answer is yes. In the Supreme Court decision in the Crawford v. Marion County Election Board case, Justice Stevens wrote in the majority opinion that:

"The relevant burdens here are those imposed on eligible voters who lack photo identification cards that comply with SEA 483. Because Indiana’s cards are free, the inconvenience of going to the Bureau of Motor Vehicles, gathering required documents, and posing for a photograph does not qualify as a substantial burden on most voters’ right to vote, or represent a significant increase over the usual burdens of voting."​

That makes it quite clear that if states are going to require ID cards to vote, they must offer them free of charge so that those who can't afford them are not disenfranchised.

How does requiring an ID pose more of a burden to minority voters, than it does to majority voters?

The answer is, it doesn't. All citizens regardless of race, are issued the same legal birth certificates, the same citizenship papers, have access to the same government facilities and modes of public transportation, are charged the same amount of money for a legal ID if they can afford one, and both are offered one free if they can not.
 
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Not wanting to disenfranchise thousands of people to catch 5 or 6 doesn't make sense?

Stores in the US lose millions of dollars a year to theft, but very few people are ever arrested for shoplifting. Using your logic, stores shouldn't use security cameras and scanners because there are very few shoplifters.
 
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Stores in the US lose millions of dollars a year to theft, but very few people are ever arrested for shoplifting. Using your logic, stores shouldn't use security cameras and scanners because there are very few shoplifters.

Using your logic we shouldn't let people into the stores without I.D.
 
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Ok, why would this law discourage or prevent the elderly, the poor, and students from voting?

Poor people don't usually have fifteen or twenty bucks lying around to buy an ID from the state. They tend to spend that money on important things, like food, or rent, or utility bills or school supplies for their kids. Elderly people, too. Fixed incomes are sparse. Plus, states have closed down many DMV's in order to save money. In the last town I lived in, there was one DMV for four or five towns. And the DMV was in the town with the least elderly people and with higher incomes. How is an old lady supposed to get from her small town to the larger city forty miles away when there is no bus line?

No one is saying it's impossible for these groups to get an ID. But it can be challenging for many people, and often they just won't do it, which in effect means they can no longer vote. The right to vote, IMO, is more important than a law requiring IDs to vote when there is effectively zero need to have such a law.
 
Re: Canadian man living in Broward pleads guilty to voting illegally in ‘08 president

The constitution does state that we have a right to own a gun, but it does not say that voting is our right.

If it does, please show me where?

It doesn't, but the SCOTUS has recognized that right regardless. What do you think the 14th and 19th Amendments are?
 
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And don't think the targeting of ACORN was an accident. It's all tied together.

And of course the constant attacks on unions. The whole thing is a cynical, underhanded effort to steal elections.
 
Re: Canadian man living in Broward pleads guilty to voting illegally in ‘08 president

And of course the constant attacks on unions. The whole thing is a cynical, underhanded effort to steal elections.

Pretty sure the current GOP realizes their old, white person base is shrinking and that their particular brand of right-wing politics will be obsolete in 50 years.

"Oh what to do, what to do? Should we adjust our platform to reflect the changing society? **** THAT! Let's play the victim role, it's way easier."
 
Re: Canadian man living in Broward pleads guilty to voting illegally in ‘08 president

And of course the constant attacks on unions. The whole thing is a cynical, underhanded effort to steal elections.

You mean like ACORN being sued for voter registration fraud in at least 11 states?

WSJ said:
Democrats are split on how to deal with Acorn, the liberal "community organizing" group that deployed thousands of get-out-the-vote workers last election. State and city Democratic officials -- who've been contending with its many scandals -- are moving against it. Washington Democrats are still sweeping Acorn abuses under a rug.

On Monday, Nevada officials charged Acorn, its regional director and its Las Vegas field director with submitting thousands of fraudulent voter registration forms last year. Larry Lomax, the registrar of voters in Las Vegas, says he believes 48% of Acorn's forms "are clearly fraudulent." On Thursday, prosecutors in Pittsburgh, Pa., also charged seven Acorn employees with filing hundreds of fraudulent voter registrations before last year's general election.

Acorn spokesman Scott Levenson calls the Nevada criminal complaint "political grandstanding" and says that any problems were the actions of an unnamed "bad employee." But Catherine Cortez Masto, Nevada's Democratic Attorney General, told the Las Vegas Sun that Acorn itself is named in the criminal complaint. She says that Acorn's training manuals "clearly detail, condone and . . . require illegal acts," such as requiring its workers to meet strict voter-registration targets to keep their jobs.

Other Democrats on the ground have complaints. Fred Voight, deputy election commissioner in Philadelphia, protested after Acorn (according to the registrar of voters and his own investigation) submitted at least 1,500 fraudulent registrations last fall. "This has been going on for a number of years," he told CNN in October. St. Louis Democrat Matthew Potter, the city's deputy elections director, had similar complaints.

Elsewhere, Washington state prosecutors fined Acorn $25,000 after several employees were convicted of voter registration fraud in 2007. The group signed a consent decree with King County (Seattle), requiring it to beef up its oversight or face criminal prosecution. In the 2008 election, Acorn's practices led to investigations, some ongoing, in 14 other states.

More Acorn Voter Fraud Comes to Light - WSJ.com
 
Re: Canadian man living in Broward pleads guilty to voting illegally in ‘08 president

I'm sorry to have to be the one to break this to you, but voting is not a constitutional right.

You are not "breaking it to me", but are getting twisted off on a technically. Yes, there is no explicit right to vote in the constitution. It is implicit. The constitution and its amendments make many references to not denying "the rights of citizens to vote". Yes, it leaves the registration/eligibility requirements to the states, but offers many boundries to that process. Some of our voting rights are articulated in legislation and court cases.

No where in the Constitution is there an explicit right to own a handgun, yet through Constitutional interpretation that right is now pretty well established. If I referred to the Constitutional right to own a handgun I doubt I would be challenged in that statement; but prior to Heller v. D.C. in 2008, you would have been able to rightfully say that no where in the Constitution is there an individual right to own a gun... actually, you can still say it.

But, we are digressing. Do you really want to tell us that voting is not a right?
 
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