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    Re: Canadian man living in Broward pleads guilty to voting illegally in ‘08 president

    Quote Originally Posted by Kal'Stang
    Again...why register the names if they weren't going to vote? And you can't exactly use the "purge" explanation here since they never should have been registered in the first place. So whether those particular people voted or not is really irrelevent. The fact that thier names were registered to vote shows that fraud is going on.
    Who knows why they filled out a voter registration form. Perhaps when they were getting their photo ID the form was in a pile of paper work and not knowing any better, they just filled out everything that was put in front of them.

    Being registered and actually voting are two separate, independent actions.


    Quote Originally Posted by Kal'Stang
    Easily yes...expensive though.
    I don't know the expense, but easily is the key, if someone's purpose is to commit fraud under penalty of the law.

    Quote Originally Posted by Kal'Stang
    What state allows you to register at the same time that you get an ID card? Much less done automatically without the knowledge of the people getting the ID. After all..if they are not truely wanting to vote then surely they know nothing about getting registered when they get their ID?
    The National Voter Registration Act of 1993 (NVRA) (42 U.S.C. § 1973gg), also known as The Motor Voter Act, was signed into effect by United States President Bill Clinton on May 20, 1993, however, compliance did not become mandatory until 1995. The legislation required state governments to allow for registration when a qualifying voter applied for or renewed their driver's license or applied for social services.


    Quote Originally Posted by Kal'Stang
    And his statement implied that it just doesn't happen at all.
    Implied? He pretty much said what I said - it is so small that it's statistically nil.
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    Re: Canadian man living in Broward pleads guilty to voting illegally in ‘08 president

    Oklahoma doesn't require re-registering. Once is good enough for life as long as you keep the same home of record and vote either in person or absentee at the same polling station. (rural counties use the county seat, don't know about the 'big cities')

    Now I KNEW those damn 'gun' loving Canucks were coming down here, buying weapons illegally and subverting our political system.

    I see my RIGHT to vote the same way some strong willed 2nd A supporters feel the Constitution says they don't need permits to exercise their RIGHT to bear arms.

    I don't see the Constitution having much to say about checking accounts, driving on public roads, fly on a commercial airline or the other crap some claim validates requiring ID to vote.

    For some the Right to vote maybe the equivalent of cashing a check, I don't see it that way.

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    Re: Canadian man living in Broward pleads guilty to voting illegally in ‘08 president

    Quote Originally Posted by Wiggen View Post
    A solution in search of a problem, but a great way to disenfranchise the poor and minorities. Which, of course, is the point. Republicans don't even pretend otherwise.
    There is no proof that an ID card disenfranchises anybody. It is an excuse to not implement this program.

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    Re: Canadian man living in Broward pleads guilty to voting illegally in ‘08 president

    Quote Originally Posted by Wiggen View Post
    I'm guessing you'd be all in favor of a national identity card, so that bureaucrats could ask at any time to 'see your papers'. Kind of like one of those old movies about the Nazis, isn't it?
    Why does one equal the other.

    If there was a national voting card, like in Mexico, why do you think the country would become like Nazi Germany?

    Can't the police ask you for your ID now?

    If you don't have a valid ID, do you know what happens?

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    Re: Canadian man living in Broward pleads guilty to voting illegally in ‘08 president

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    most of those who back a voter ID program in THIS country don't have much nice to say about how Mexico does things.

    The police do not have the right to just stop citizens and demand ID. They can fudge it a bit and say illegal lane change or walking the wrong way down a street, but first they have to have probable cause. Wanting to vote ain't it.

    What they can do if they have probable cause a crime was committed and the suspect can produce no ID is hold the suspect for 72 hours.

    But your argument is flawed, I don't need an ID to walk the streets, it isn't illegal. IF the cop wants to hold me, failure to produce an ID can hold me, but I have committed no crime.

    Personally I don't see how anyone who holds the Constitution as a literal document claiming requiring a Government issued ID is what the Founders would have agreed to in order to vote.

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    Re: Canadian man living in Broward pleads guilty to voting illegally in ‘08 president

    Quote Originally Posted by notquiteright View Post
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    most of those who back a voter ID program in THIS country don't have much nice to say about how Mexico does things.

    The police do not have the right to just stop citizens and demand ID. They can fudge it a bit and say illegal lane change or walking the wrong way down a street, but first they have to have probable cause. Wanting to vote ain't it.

    What they can do if they have probable cause a crime was committed and the suspect can produce no ID is hold the suspect for 72 hours.

    But your argument is flawed, I don't need an ID to walk the streets, it isn't illegal. IF the cop wants to hold me, failure to produce an ID can hold me, but I have committed no crime.

    Personally I don't see how anyone who holds the Constitution as a literal document claiming requiring a Government issued ID is what the Founders would have agreed to in order to vote.
    Did you see anywhere in my post where I said anything about a crime?

    A police officer can ask you for your ID at any time for any reason. If you do not produce it they can take you in to verify your identity.

    You stated that if the federal government issued IDs, in place of the states, the country would become like Nazi Germany.

    Please explain why there is a difference between somebody having a state issued ID or a federal ID, and how that would make a police officer ask you for ID more.

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    Re: Canadian man living in Broward pleads guilty to voting illegally in ‘08 president

    I don't recall ever saying anything about Nazi Germany, did say I don't see where the Founders made a Government ID a requirement to vote.

    Washington State law does not require giving an ID to police, merely name and address.

    Nevada law only requires the giving of your name, not ID card.

    There is no law requiring a citizen to carry ID.

    A cop can detain if he has reasonable suspicion you engaged in a criminal act, and the devil loves that vague detail. Depends on the bail procedure, the court and how well the cop can articulate a reason for his suspicion.

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    Re: Canadian man living in Broward pleads guilty to voting illegally in ‘08 president

    Quote Originally Posted by Mason66 View Post
    Why does one equal the other.

    If there was a national voting card, like in Mexico, why do you think the country would become like Nazi Germany?

    Can't the police ask you for your ID now?

    If you don't have a valid ID, do you know what happens?
    And people wonder how fascism could survive in a country with an educated population.
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    Re: Canadian man living in Broward pleads guilty to voting illegally in ‘08 president

    Quote Originally Posted by notquiteright View Post
    I don't recall ever saying anything about Nazi Germany, did say I don't see where the Founders made a Government ID a requirement to vote.

    Washington State law does not require giving an ID to police, merely name and address.

    Nevada law only requires the giving of your name, not ID card.

    There is no law requiring a citizen to carry ID.

    A cop can detain if he has reasonable suspicion you engaged in a criminal act, and the devil loves that vague detail. Depends on the bail procedure, the court and how well the cop can articulate a reason for his suspicion.
    This is your quote "I'm guessing you'd be all in favor of a national identity card, so that bureaucrats could ask at any time to 'see your papers'. Kind of like one of those old movies about the Nazis, isn't it?"

    That looks like a referrence to Nazi, granted I assumed the Germany part, to me.

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    Re: Canadian man living in Broward pleads guilty to voting illegally in ‘08 president

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    My bad, now please address the state laws I posted about cops, IDs, and when they can require you produce them.

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