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    Re: Canadian man living in Broward pleads guilty to voting illegally in 08 president

    Quote Originally Posted by upsideguy View Post
    You don't create regulations until you can prove there is a problem. What kind of libertarian are you? Not a very good one if you are advocating regulation without transgression.
    I dunno I am trying to protect the integrity of the most important institution we have... I guess I get a little defensive about it.
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    Canadian man living in Broward pleads guilty to voting illegally in 08 presidential

    Quote Originally Posted by frogloe View Post
    Florida has 18 million people living in it and only 100 were found to be unregistered? That is a staggering .000006% of the population. Sounds like an epidemic.
    Pretty remarkable that there are only 100 children in Florida. I remembered a lot of old people in Florida, and their parents, from when I lived there, but the demographics have clearly shifted.
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    Re: Canadian man living in Broward pleads guilty to voting illegally in 08 president

    Quote Originally Posted by frogloe View Post
    Florida has 18 million people living in it and only 100 were found to be unregistered? That is a staggering .000006% of the population. Sounds like an epidemic.
    You dont get it do you ... in at least two of those cases they said they didnt vote, and one said he didnt know HOW to vote... which means someone registered him, and then voted FOR him... the dead vote... it has been documented,

    Dead People Receive Ballots in NH Primary - YouTube

    NC Non-Citizens Voting, Dead Offered Ballots, UNC Officials Embrace Voter Fraud - YouTube

    No there is no voter fraud...

    I mean this thread started with a case of actual voter fraud, EVERY citizen should be outraged at that.
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    Re: Canadian man living in Broward pleads guilty to voting illegally in 08 president

    How many illegal Canadians do you think we have living in the US?
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    Re: Canadian man living in Broward pleads guilty to voting illegally in 08 president

    Quote Originally Posted by Middleground View Post
    I can bet you that many college students do not have any type of photo ID.
    Only those who don't drive and whose schools don't require them for library use, or for test purposes. I was require to have a photo ID when I took the MAT and the LSAT. The ACT was so long ago I don't recall if I had to have one or not.
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    Re: Canadian man living in Broward pleads guilty to voting illegally in 08 president

    Quote Originally Posted by Gonzo Rodeo View Post
    Do "minority, handicapped and elderly voters who don't normally maintain driver's licenses" ever cash checks or use a credit card? Do they make purchases of cigarettes, alcohol, or pornography? Do they literally have no situations in their lives that require the use of ID in any way?

    Further, why is it only the minorities, elderly, and students who are discriminated against? What about the white, middle-aged males who don't drive?

    In short, it's not a specific demographic that is "discriminated" against, if you can even use that word. Life in this country is exponentially harder without photo ID, and photo ID is ridiculously easy to obtain.



    You are intentionally leaving off just regular old photo ID cards, issued by the same agency that issues drivers licenses. But that's really beside the point.

    The poor - if they qualify for programs such as food stamps or welfare... don't they need photo ID to obtain those entitlements?

    The elderly - they may not be eligible to drive anymore, or maybe never drove in the first place, but do they claim social security benefits? Don't they need photo ID for that? If they are Medicare consumers, don't they need photo ID at the hospital?

    Students - assuming they do not drive, which is a vast minority of them, do they not have to cash checks, either from school aid, student loans, or mommy and daddy? And don't they have to have ID to enroll in school? Don't they have to have a state issued photo ID to get their school issued ID? I had to show my driver's license to get both my student ID and my parking pass. Mind you, they weren't checking to see if I was an eligible driver, they were checking to see if I was who I said I was so I could get the pass, because the pass is included in the price of tuition. Back when I had two cars, I was never ID'd for my second pass; it was simply a $10 fee.
    And then there is the under 21 set in colleges who get photo IDs to buy alcohol!
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    Re: Canadian man living in Broward pleads guilty to voting illegally in 08 president

    Quote Originally Posted by Middleground View Post
    If you think that voter ID is the answer to preserving freedom, democracy and the sound American foundation, I have a bridge to sell you. For instance, do you realize how easy it is to hack a voting machine? LOL
    How many have you hacked?
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    Re: Canadian man living in Broward pleads guilty to voting illegally in 08 president

    Quote Originally Posted by upsideguy View Post
    All nice, but entering your swimming pool is not a constitutional right. Moreover, there is a real reason for you to show ID to go you to pool, golf course or library, with the reason likely related to validating you as a taxpayer entitled to the preferred rate. Though I think the whole notion of showing ID to get on an airplane is silliness, it exists as a solution to a known and serious problem.

    But, with voting, there is no problem. It is shocking to me that so many people have bought this bill of goods hook, line and sinker without any real evidence the problem exists in the first place. This is just voter suppression designed to help one political party as everyone knows is severely impacts the other party.

    I also don't buy this argument that "if I can do it, anyone can/should do it". This is just narrow ego-centric thinking. You are but a data point of one, not representative of all members of each socio-economic group. There are lots of people that do not have (have zero reason to have) a picture ID.... they do not drive or fly or have any other reason ever to get driver's license. Curiously, they generally live in the city and may not participate in our economy the same way you or I do. They are often poor, elderly, minorities or disabled. They are often the people that are least able to go downtown to get the required ID, yet their right to vote is not less or greater than your or mine. This group also tends to vote democrat.

    A real republican would loathe this as it is 1) unnecessary regulation (a solution for which there is no known problem) and 2) it is restriction fundamental Constitutional rights. Instead, they embrace it because they know it is targeted voter suppression and they are fundamentally hypocrites.

    Sorry, but the idea of depriving someone of their Constitutional rights is appalling to me. It is shocking to me that so many people have bought the goods on this issue. What is voter fraud is the systemic repression of the citizen's right to vote just because they might not vote your way.
    They have to 'go downtown' to sign up for welfare. Living in the city, 'going downtown' isn't a real issue. Oh wait, the drug dealer makes house calls.

    BTW: Did you know that in the wake of HIPAA anyone who goes to a doctor or hospital has to have two IDs? LOL. I just had a heart cath, and had to have two IDs to check in. One of my doctors even takes a picture of you while you are standing at the window. The camera is desguised as a little round decoration. LOL.

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    Re: Canadian man living in Broward pleads guilty to voting illegally in 08 president

    Quote Originally Posted by MaggieD View Post
    You are easily appalled. On the other hand, I am appalled that someone can simply walk into a polling place, introduce themselves as John Smith and exercise the most important right our country offers. Those poor people you talk about? How do you think they get on entitlement programs? Just show up and say, "Hi, I'm John Doe. When can you start sending my checks?"

    And if you are naive enough (which no one is) to believe that there is no voter fraud going on whereby people vote in the names of other people? I don't know what to say. If there is a way to cheat, people will cheat. Our politicians have proven time and again they cannot be trusted. Over and over again! To think that our Democratic politicians so radically oppose something as simple as a voter i.d. just proves they cannot be trusted. Again.
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    Re: Canadian man living in Broward pleads guilty to voting illegally in 08 president

    Quote Originally Posted by Fruityfact View Post
    Using your logic we shouldn't let people into the stores without I.D.
    The only way you can purchase anything in a store using anything but cash is to have proper ID.
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