Re: Canadian man living in Broward pleads guilty to voting illegally in ‘08 president
Kal'Stang said:
Legal non-citizens get treated the same in the DMV so whats your point?
More paperwork. We were talking about the paperwork shuffle.
Kal'Stang said:
In case you didn't know it but registering to vote just by itself is also illegal if you are not a citizen. Not just voting.
Did anyone say any different? We were talking here, in this forum, about registration, not how it would play out in a court of law.
Kal'Stang said:
I doubt you get group discounts from someone making fake ID's. The point was to show that while fake ID's might be easy to make they are not cheap to get. Which makes them hard to get.
My point was, what would be the financial limit that would deter someone from committing voter fraud.
The group rate was just a joke towards the conspiracy theory of busing in the number of fraudulent votes it would take to influence an election.
Kal'Stang said:
What incentive is there to give it out? IE They prolly are not given out due to simple lazyness.
I would say that it be more prudent to give them out to everyone rather than risk the allegation of circumventing federal law.
Kal'Stang said:
There is a big difference between scouring for registered voters and scouring to see if those people actually voted. The right to privacy prevents one and not the other..can you figure out which one?
LOL! Well you're going to have to help me out on this one. What is the difference, privacy wise, of a list of registered voters and a list of those who actually voted?
In fact, you quoted a post (#209) that contained an article where a group in NC plans to do just that.
Article said:
The group says it doesn’t know how many of the 30,000 names were actually used to vote illegally, yet. The next step is volunteers will match names with voting records.
I've asked in this thread, and others, why someone hasn't done exactly that before.
As a supporter of making voting easier and more accessible to all of our citizens, I've noted this article and if the
Voter Integrity Project results aren't published in a reasonable time period, I'll ask what happened. I'll be interested in the results, no matter which way they turn out.
Kal'Stang said:
Not if they feared that it would be used against themselves also.
I don't think the Koch brothers really care what the liberals, or anyone for that matter, thinks of them. These are the guys whose political actions resulted in the term
'Swift Boating'.
Kal'Stang said:
In order to get state issued ID for voting you have to show that you are a citizen of the US. A non-citizen could not come up with this proof.
Non-citizens can get approved photo ID, legally. That's been established beyond a doubt.
Kal'Stang said:
As for the fake ID you are right..there are those that will use fake ID's and still get away with voter fraud. No system is 100% effective. If it was then there would be no murders, rapes, thefts etc etc. Voter ID's is only one link in a chain to prevent fraud and it should be treated as such. It should never be treated as an end all be all fool proof system.
I'm not questioning the effectiveness. There is no problem to combat, so therefore there will be no change.
One of the voter obstructionists argument is that it's impossible to measure how much voter fraud there is now without photo ID. So my question is - if it's immposible to measure voter fraud now, without photo ID, how will it be possible to measure voter fraud with photo ID laws in place to determine if the photo ID laws are working?
Or is this going to be a Romney
'Trust Me' moment?