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    Re: Canadian man living in Broward pleads guilty to voting illegally in 08 president

    Quote Originally Posted by sawyerloggingon View Post
    You leftist seem very concerned that feeble minded old people, drunks and drug addicts, mentally disabled and welfare recipients might not vote if voter ID is implemented. It shows who you think these people will vote for and that speaks volumes.
    You need to take "welfare recipients" off that list, because they have to have a valid, legal ID to both apply for welfare, and to cash the checks every month.


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    Re: Canadian man living in Broward pleads guilty to voting illegally in 08 president

    Quote Originally Posted by Grim17 View Post
    You need to take "welfare recipients" off that list, because they have to have a valid, legal ID to both apply for welfare, and to cash the checks every month.

    Had to at one time. Once you have benefits it can direct deposit and ID can expire with no trouble.
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    Re: Canadian man living in Broward pleads guilty to voting illegally in 08 president

    Quote Originally Posted by Redress View Post
    Had to at one time. Once you have benefits it can direct deposit and ID can expire with no trouble.
    So they at least had to obtain an ID initially to receive benifits... My question now is, why is requiring an ID for the poor to receive welfare benifits ok by the left, but requiring one to vote is seen as too heavy a burden?

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    Re: Canadian man living in Broward pleads guilty to voting illegally in 08 president

    Quote Originally Posted by Grim17 View Post
    They serve exactly the same purpose as the 26th amendment does. The constitution does not specify that voting is a citizens right. If it did, then states couldn't deny voting to convicted felons.

    States have always been allowed to put certain rules and restrictions on voting. All the constitution does is state the methods that States can not use to restrict voting, in order to prevent discimination.

    Voting is now and always has been a priviledge, not a right.
    So does that mean that owning a gun is not a right either? Unless the state reinstates the 'right' of the user, federal law bans convicted felons from possessing firearms.

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    Re: Canadian man living in Broward pleads guilty to voting illegally in 08 president

    Quote Originally Posted by TitusAndronicus View Post
    So does that mean that owning a gun is not a right either? Unless the state reinstates the 'right' of the user, federal law bans convicted felons from possessing firearms.
    You are correct... I guess that was a bad example on my part.

    But that doesn't change the fact that the constitution says people have the right to bear arms, but does not say that voting is a persons right.

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    Re: Canadian man living in Broward pleads guilty to voting illegally in 08 president

    Quote Originally Posted by Grim17 View Post
    You are correct... I guess that was a bad example on my part.

    But that doesn't change the fact that the constitution says people have the right to bear arms, but does not say that voting is a persons right.
    WRONG. Almost all of the amendments related to new access to sufferage state "the right to vote". Amendment 15, 19, AND 26 all state that people will not be denied the right to vote based on circumstances. With your constitutional knowledge, I'm a little frightened that you have that right to vote too.

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    Re: Canadian man living in Broward pleads guilty to voting illegally in 08 president

    Quote Originally Posted by frogloe View Post
    WRONG. Almost all of the amendments related to new access to sufferage state "the right to vote". Amendment 15, 19, AND 26 all state that people will not be denied the right to vote based on circumstances. With your constitutional knowledge, I'm a little frightened that you have that right to vote too.
    Please point out where exactly in the constitution it states that voting is a persons right?

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    Re: Canadian man living in Broward pleads guilty to voting illegally in 08 president

    Quote Originally Posted by Grim17 View Post
    Please point out where exactly in the constitution it states that voting is a persons right?
    I just cited three instances. What the heck more do you want from me? Just because it's not an amendment it doesn't mean its not a right stated.

    Amendment 15:
    SECTION 1.

    The right of citizens of the United States to vote shall not be denied or abridged by the United States or by any state on account of race, color, or previous condition of servitude.

    Amendment 19:
    The right of citizens of the United States to vote shall not be denied or abridged by the United States or by any States on account of sex.

    Amendment 26:
    The right of citizens of the United States, who are eighteen years of age or older, to vote shall not be denied or abridged by the United States or by any State on account of age.

    Is there anymore fundamental American knowledge you'd like me to spoon feed you?

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    Re: Canadian man living in Broward pleads guilty to voting illegally in 08 president

    Quote Originally Posted by frogloe View Post
    I just cited three instances. What the heck more do you want from me? Just because it's not an amendment it doesn't mean its not a right stated.

    Amendment 15:
    SECTION 1.

    The right of citizens of the United States to vote shall not be denied or abridged by the United States or by any state on account of race, color, or previous condition of servitude.

    Amendment 19:
    The right of citizens of the United States to vote shall not be denied or abridged by the United States or by any States on account of sex.

    Amendment 26:
    The right of citizens of the United States, who are eighteen years of age or older, to vote shall not be denied or abridged by the United States or by any State on account of age.

    Is there anymore fundamental American knowledge you'd like me to spoon feed you?
    You are correct and I was wrong.

    However it's not an unconditional right, as states are given the power to impose requirements and/or standards to vote. The various amendments in the constitution dealing with voting, were designed to prevent race, gender and class discrimination by dictating the things that can not be used by states to deny a person the right to vote. Requiring an ID to vote does not discriminate, as the 6-3 Supreme Court decision in the Crawford v. Marion County Election Board case concluded.

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    Re: Canadian man living in Broward pleads guilty to voting illegally in 08 president

    Quote Originally Posted by AdamT View Post
    So it appears that these photo ID laws will prevent thousands of legitimate citizens from casting ballots, in order to snare ONE Canadian guy who probably would have voted anyway with the ID laws in place. So why are we doing this again? Florida's former Republican Party chairman has an idea....
    Explain this....

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