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    Police: Gunman kills two at N.J. supermarket

    Gunman kills two, then himself, at New Jersey supermarket, authorities say - CNN.com

    "I believe everyone in the store was a target," said Kaplan, who noted that the gunman fired 16 rounds during his attack."

    Is it just me or are these acts of social terrorism increasing at a disturbing frequency?

    How can we even begin to address the causes without recognizing it is an epidemic?
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    Re: Police: Gunman kills two at N.J. supermarket

    Or is the media increasing coverage of these events and overhyping them because it draws viewers and sells ad time?

    In a nation of 315 million plus, stuff happens SOMEWHERE every day and most of the time we don't hear about 99% of it unless it happened in our town... or unless the media decides to blitz a certain type of story for their own reasons.

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    Re: Police: Gunman kills two at N.J. supermarket

    Quote Originally Posted by Goshin View Post
    Or is the media increasing coverage of these events and overhyping them because it draws viewers and sells ad time?

    In a nation of 315 million plus, stuff happens SOMEWHERE every day and most of the time we don't hear about 99% of it unless it happened in our town... or unless the media decides to blitz a certain type of story for their own reasons.
    So show us how the media is increasing coverage while the same average number of events have remained constant.

    If anything, it looks like the media is under reporting.
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    Re: Police: Gunman kills two at N.J. supermarket

    Quote Originally Posted by Furiounova View Post
    So show us how the media is increasing coverage while the same average number of events have remained constant.

    If anything, it looks like the media is under reporting.
    I'm not sure we really have evidence of under-reporting, but I wouldn't be surprised, Mr. Furry. And where I'd expect that under-reporting to be would be under-reporting the family/work-related shootings that are taking place in light of our poor economy.

    We read about them every once in a while, but not as often, I believe, as they are taking place. When people are losing their jobs, being laid off, fired, losing their homes, etc., etc., a whole bunch of people in this country have had it "up to here." Marriages fail, families fall apart, lives implode -- people's tolerance is like a taut guitar string. Just ready to ping.
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    Re: Police: Gunman kills two at N.J. supermarket

    Quote Originally Posted by Furiounova View Post
    So show us how the media is increasing coverage while the same average number of events have remained constant.

    If anything, it looks like the media is under reporting.

    There are around ten thousand murders a year in this country, and hundreds of thousands of incidents where criminals seriously injure people, and millions of lesser crimes. How many of these do you normally see in the national news?

    In a given day, national news (by which I mean you live in California and hear about an incident in NY, or vice-versa) probably reports only a handful of crimes on a national level where everyone watching the news sees it... that would translate to maybe a thousand nationally-covered crimes a year... not all of which are murders or involve severe injury to a person. That's probably less than 0.1% of total crimes committed, or less than one per thousand.

    Given that, you can pick and choose what types of crimes you give more coverage to. You seriously don't think the media keeps up with what types of stories people are clicking on more lately? And that they don't hype stories they know will draw readers/viewers? Or that they don't play off a climate of fear or alarm or drama to sell ad time? They do.

    I have no stats on hand to prove that this is more media hype than actual epidemic.... but a lifetime of experience with how the media operates tells me it is pretty likely.

    "Gunman kills two, then himself, in supermarket" isn't exactly a major mass killing... frankly there have been local incidents I know about with as many or more people killed, here in my area where I live, that never made any national news outlets. So yeah, I feel confident this is a case of media hype.

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    Re: Police: Gunman kills two at N.J. supermarket

    Quote Originally Posted by MaggieD View Post
    I'm not sure we really have evidence of under-reporting, but I wouldn't be surprised, Mr. Furry. And where I'd expect that under-reporting to be would be under-reporting the family/work-related shootings that are taking place in light of our poor economy.

    We read about them every once in a while, but not as often, I believe, as they are taking place. When people are losing their jobs, being laid off, fired, losing their homes, etc., etc., a whole bunch of people in this country have had it "up to here." Marriages fail, families fall apart, lives implode -- people's tolerance is like a taut guitar string. Just ready to ping.
    Of course we don't read about them as often as they happen... this is a country of 315 million people with 50 states, many of which are nations unto themselves by the standards of the rest of the world. Most crimes are only reported locally, or regionally. Not that many end up on the national news.

    Three killed? That's a typical Saturday night in my own tri-county area, and it rarely makes the national news.

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    Re: Police: Gunman kills two at N.J. supermarket

    Quote Originally Posted by MaggieD View Post
    I'm not sure we really have evidence of under-reporting, but I wouldn't be surprised, Mr. Furry. And where I'd expect that under-reporting to be would be under-reporting the family/work-related shootings that are taking place in light of our poor economy.

    We read about them every once in a while, but not as often, I believe, as they are taking place. When people are losing their jobs, being laid off, fired, losing their homes, etc., etc., a whole bunch of people in this country have had it "up to here." Marriages fail, families fall apart, lives implode -- people's tolerance is like a taut guitar string. Just ready to ping.
    I see three tiers of media:

    mainstream
    Local
    Blogs

    All three have different core motivators on what they choose to cover so I would expect the local level to report more on social terrorism versus the other two. I agree the economy can be a factor but I see this epidemic as gaining roots in Columbine when the economy was awesome.

    For some reason several people from unrelated backgrounds are all finding a common bond in social terrorism. It seems it is largely too frightening for society to address head on and unlike the batman shooter, nobody who knew this shooter saw any warning signs.

    It is also very troubling because they don't want anything other than to murder. Unlike the Norway, Sikh, and Adkison shootings, these are not motivated by politics or any religious ideology. It is a stand alone approach where there is no visible cure because we cannot uncover the root causes.
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    Re: Police: Gunman kills two at N.J. supermarket

    Quote Originally Posted by Goshin View Post
    Of course we don't read about them as often as they happen... this is a country of 315 million people with 50 states, many of which are nations unto themselves by the standards of the rest of the world. Most crimes are only reported locally, or regionally. Not that many end up on the national news.

    Three killed? That's a typical Saturday night in my own tri-county area, and it rarely makes the national news.
    It's a typical Saturday night for an employee to walk into a place of business and shoot people?

    We aren't talking about crime like robberies, gang bangers, etc. Of course crime happens all the time. This epidemic of social terrorism has been gaining momentum for over a decade and as long as people pretend it is "typical" and nothing out of the ordinary it will continue to happen unabated.
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    Re: Police: Gunman kills two at N.J. supermarket

    Quote Originally Posted by Goshin View Post
    There are around ten thousand murders a year in this country, and hundreds of thousands of incidents where criminals seriously injure people, and millions of lesser crimes. How many of these do you normally see in the national news?

    In a given day, national news (by which I mean you live in California and hear about an incident in NY, or vice-versa) probably reports only a handful of crimes on a national level where everyone watching the news sees it... that would translate to maybe a thousand nationally-covered crimes a year... not all of which are murders or involve severe injury to a person. That's probably less than 0.1% of total crimes committed, or less than one per thousand.

    Given that, you can pick and choose what types of crimes you give more coverage to. You seriously don't think the media keeps up with what types of stories people are clicking on more lately? And that they don't hype stories they know will draw readers/viewers? Or that they don't play off a climate of fear or alarm or drama to sell ad time? They do.

    I have no stats on hand to prove that this is more media hype than actual epidemic.... but a lifetime of experience with how the media operates tells me it is pretty likely.

    "Gunman kills two, then himself, in supermarket" isn't exactly a major mass killing... frankly there have been local incidents I know about with as many or more people killed, here in my area where I live, that never made any national news outlets. So yeah, I feel confident this is a case of media hype.
    I'm not talking about typical crime.

    It doesn't matter if three people or 30 people were killed because I'm talking about social terrorism.

    I knew you could not back up your theory the MSM has simply increased coverage.
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    Re: Police: Gunman kills two at N.J. supermarket

    Quote Originally Posted by Furiounova View Post
    Gunman kills two, then himself, at New Jersey supermarket, authorities say - CNN.com

    "I believe everyone in the store was a target," said Kaplan, who noted that the gunman fired 16 rounds during his attack."

    Is it just me or are these acts of social terrorism increasing at a disturbing frequency?

    How can we even begin to address the causes without recognizing it is an epidemic?
    Social terrorism? This sounds more like an employee going postal.An employee pissed off. Many criminals take it out on people they pissed off at.Road rage, crimes of passion, gang killings and so on. This is not terrorism.
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