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    Re: Police: Gunman kills two at N.J. supermarket

    Quote Originally Posted by Furiounova View Post
    How can we even begin to address the causes without recognizing it is an epidemic?
    Because "epidemic" is a silly, sensationalist, wholly-inappropriate word to be using here, which bespeaks far more of seizing an opportunity to advance an agenda than it does any actual sober-minded approach to a problem.
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    Re: Police: Gunman kills two at N.J. supermarket

    Quote Originally Posted by Harshaw View Post
    Because "epidemic" is a silly, sensationalist, wholly-inappropriate word to be using here, which bespeaks far more of seizing an opportunity to advance an agenda than it does any actual sober-minded approach to a problem.
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    Out of recent memory not including the ones I've not read or heard about.

    If you don't like the word epidemic then let's call it a problem with a really high rate of frequency.
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    Re: Police: Gunman kills two at N.J. supermarket

    Quote Originally Posted by LaMidRighter View Post
    There's no reason to get emotional, you've lost on this one. The actual criminal definition of terrorism has been posted, and all you brought to the table was a created term.
    That's right. Because every single term, word, or phrase in every human language was never created by humans. They were all dropped from the Magical Webster Sky.
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    Re: Police: Gunman kills two at N.J. supermarket

    Quote Originally Posted by Objective-J View Post
    its possible but in my opinion I dont think its an epidemic or heres under reporting on it.

    if it is an epidemic id actually like to see less reporting on it and just more education/prevention on how to curb (because prevention is impossible) things of this nature.

    I dont want reporting on it unless its to catch somebody at large. IMO reporting on it is ONE of the reasons SOME of these people do these things
    It would be hard to report on it without it being seen as sensationalism in some respects and one reason I call it an epidemic because these shooters do not share a lot of common bonds like traditional violent crimes. Those usually have a specific and identifiable purpose. In these shootings the only purpose is death.
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    Re: Police: Gunman kills two at N.J. supermarket

    Quote Originally Posted by Furiounova View Post
    That's right. Because every single term, word, or phrase in every human language was never created by humans. They were all dropped from the Magical Webster Sky.
    You cannot change the nature of a crime by defining it incorrectly. Words mean things, the words in law mean things, and people not sufficiently experienced in the matters they speak have no authority to change definitions. Not a difficult concept.
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    Re: Police: Gunman kills two at N.J. supermarket

    Quote Originally Posted by Furiounova View Post
    Batman shooting

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    Nj supermarket

    Out of recent memory not including the ones I've not read or heard about.

    If you don't like the word epidemic then let's call it a problem with a really high rate of frequency.
    "Epidemic" implies it occurs in these instances for common reasons which can be "addressed." This is simply not the case.

    And an unusual number of occurrences over a given time wouldn't make it an "epidemic" in any case. "Coincidence" is the better term. And 3-4 in a country of 310 million isn't a "really high rate of frequency" by any means.

    To Goshin's point, judging this kind of thing ("frequency") by national press coverage is to think only pretty white girls get kidnapped or disappear.
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    Re: Police: Gunman kills two at N.J. supermarket

    Quote Originally Posted by Furiounova View Post
    It would be hard to report on it without it being seen as sensationalism in some respects and one reason I call it an epidemic because these shooters do not share a lot of common bonds like traditional violent crimes. Those usually have a specific and identifiable purpose. In these shootings the only purpose is death.
    again you could be right I just dont see it as an epidemic because people just out to hurt/kill others isnt new to me.
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    Re: Police: Gunman kills two at N.J. supermarket

    Quote Originally Posted by Objective-J View Post
    again you could be right I just dont see it as an epidemic because people just out to hurt/kill others isnt new to me.
    That act isn't new but what I'm referencing is the indiscriminate killing be it strangers or co workers and in schools. Problems in life are nothing new and "going postal" is a common term to refer to these types of shootings but that is really glossing over them.
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    Re: Police: Gunman kills two at N.J. supermarket

    Quote Originally Posted by Harshaw View Post
    "Epidemic" implies it occurs in these instances for common reasons which can be "addressed." This is simply not the case.

    And an unusual number of occurrences over a given time wouldn't make it an "epidemic" in any case. "Coincidence" is the better term. And 3-4 in a country of 310 million isn't a "really high rate of frequency" by any means.

    To Goshin's point, judging this kind of thing ("frequency") by national press coverage is to think only pretty white girls get kidnapped or disappear.
    There is a common factor in the shootings.

    I'm not judging it by the frequency of it being reported in the MSM. I'm saying the MSM is under reporting which is the opposite of what you were implying. Have you read any of my posts on it or are you jumping in mid stroke and missing the context by accident?

    It is an epidemic in that people are becoming less and less shocked when it does happen. There is something seriously wrong when so many people of so many different backgrounds are resorting to the exact same method of exit.
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    Re: Police: Gunman kills two at N.J. supermarket

    Quote Originally Posted by LaMidRighter View Post
    You cannot change the nature of a crime by defining it incorrectly. Words mean things, the words in law mean things, and people not sufficiently experienced in the matters they speak have no authority to change definitions. Not a difficult concept.
    What are you talking about? I'm not trying to change the nature of the crime. Tell ya what. Why don't you explain the nature of the crime with something other than going postal?
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