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    Re: Police: Gunman kills two at N.J. supermarket

    Quote Originally Posted by jamesrage View Post
    At the time when the KKK was a terrorist orginization race and the treatment of blacks were political issues.
    I understand that but it does nothing to change:

    Racial issues are social issues. Politics may or may not play a role but the core of racism is a social ill and not government fall out.
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    Re: Police: Gunman kills two at N.J. supermarket

    Quote Originally Posted by Furiounova View Post
    The last line of your post is what separates modern social terrorism from traditional terrorism and a point I've already highlighted.
    He was not trying to coerce anyone into doing anything. In his sick mind he was trying to get payback.Again this is not terrorism. This is just someone going postal.

    The batman shooting is probably the best example as it was someone shooting and killing complete strangers celebrating pop culture.
    Other than being some pathetic loser mad at everyone, did he have any stated goals?Was he trying to coerce some sort of change with his killing spree? If not then it is not an act of terrorism.
    "A nation can survive its fools, and even the ambitious. But it cannot survive treason from within. An enemy at the gates is less formidable, for he is known and carries his banner openly. But the traitor moves amongst those within the gate freely, his sly whispers rustling through all the alleys, heard in the very halls of government itself. For the traitor appears not a traitor; he speaks in accents familiar to his victims, and he wears their face and their arguments, he appeals to the baseness that lies deep in the hearts of all men. He rots the soul of a nation, he works secretly and unknown in the night to undermine the pillars of the city, he infects the body politic so that it can no longer resist. A murder is less to fear"

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    Re: Police: Gunman kills two at N.J. supermarket

    Quote Originally Posted by jamesrage View Post
    He was not trying to coerce anyone into doing anything. In his sick mind he was trying to get payback.Again this is not terrorism. This is just someone going postal.


    Other than being some pathetic loser mad at everyone, did he have any stated goals?Was he trying to coerce some sort of change with his killing spree? If not then it is not an act of terrorism.

    That is why it is social terrorism. He had no goal in mind other than murder, just like the batman shooting.
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    Re: Police: Gunman kills two at N.J. supermarket

    Quote Originally Posted by Furiounova View Post
    I understand that but it does nothing to change:

    Racial issues are social issues. Politics may or may not play a role but the core of racism is a social ill and not government fall out.
    It was not social terrorism when the KKK were lynching blacks, republicans and anyone who sympathized or aided them, it was just pure and simple terrorism.
    "A nation can survive its fools, and even the ambitious. But it cannot survive treason from within. An enemy at the gates is less formidable, for he is known and carries his banner openly. But the traitor moves amongst those within the gate freely, his sly whispers rustling through all the alleys, heard in the very halls of government itself. For the traitor appears not a traitor; he speaks in accents familiar to his victims, and he wears their face and their arguments, he appeals to the baseness that lies deep in the hearts of all men. He rots the soul of a nation, he works secretly and unknown in the night to undermine the pillars of the city, he infects the body politic so that it can no longer resist. A murder is less to fear"

    Cicero Marcus Tullius

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    Re: Police: Gunman kills two at N.J. supermarket

    Quote Originally Posted by jamesrage View Post
    It was not social terrorism when the KKK were lynching blacks, republicans and anyone who sympathized or aided them, it was just pure and simple terrorism.
    What exactly is confusing about this statement:

    Politics may or may not play a role but the core of racism is a social ill and not government fall out.
    My main function as a Christian is to be the biggest possible jerk as a demonstration of the awe found in God's Grace and Forgiveness. (That love part comes in to play at some point)

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    Re: Police: Gunman kills two at N.J. supermarket

    Quote Originally Posted by Furiounova View Post
    That is why it is social terrorism. He had no goal in mind other than murder, just like the batman shooting.
    Those are not acts of terrorism. The shooting in New Jersey and the shooting in Colorado are not acts of terrorism, nor do they meet any definition of terrorism.


    Definitions of terrorism - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
    United States Code (U.S.C.)

    Title 22, Chapter 38 of the United States Code (regarding the Department of State) contains a definition of terrorism in its requirement that annual country reports on terrorism be submitted by the Secretary of State to Congress every year. It reads:

    "Definitions ... the term 'terrorism' means premeditated, politically motivated violence perpetrated against noncombatant targets by subnational groups or clandestine agents;"[53]

    Title 18 of the United States Code (regarding criminal acts and criminal procedure) defines international terrorism as:

    "[T]he term 'international terrorism' means activities that . . . involve violent acts or acts dangerous to human life that are a violation of the criminal laws of the United States or of any State, or that would be a criminal violation if committed within the jurisdiction of the United States or of any State; [and] appear to be intended . . . to intimidate or coerce a civilian population; . . . to influence the policy of a government by intimidation or coercion; or . . . to affect the conduct of a government by mass destruction, assassination, or kidnapping; and [which] occur primarily outside the territorial jurisdiction of the United States, or transcend national boundaries in terms of the means by which they are accomplished, the persons they appear intended to intimidate or coerce, or the locale in which their perpetrators operate or seek asylum."[54]

    US Code of Federal Regulations

    The US Code of Federal Regulations defines terrorism as "...the unlawful use of force and violence against persons or property to intimidate or coerce a government, the civilian population, or any segment thereof, in furtherance of political or social objectives" (28 C.F.R. Section 0.85).
    US national security strategy

    In September 2002 the US national security strategy defined terrorism as "premeditated, politically motivated violence against innocents".[55] This definition did not exclude actions by the United States government and it was qualified some months later with "premeditated, politically motivated violence against noncombatant targets by subnational groups or clandestine agents".[56]
    United States Department of Defense

    The United States Department of Defense recently changed its definition of terrorism. Per Joint Pub 3-07.2, Antiterrorism, (24 November 2010) the Department of Defense defines it as "the unlawful use of violence or threat of violence to instill fear and coerce governments or societies. Terrorism is often motivated by religious, political, or other ideological beliefs and committed in the pursuit of goals that are usually political."

    The new definition distinguishes between motivations for terrorism (religion, ideology, etc.) and goals of terrorism ("usually political"). This is in contrast to the previous definition which stated that the goals could be religious in nature.
    USA PATRIOT Act

    The USA PATRIOT Act defines domestic terrorism activities as "activities that (A) involve acts dangerous to human life that are a violation of the criminal laws of the U.S. or of any state, that (B) appear to be intended (i) to intimidate or coerce a civilian population, (ii) to influence the policy of a government by intimidation or coercion, or (iii) to affect the conduct of a government by mass destruction, assassination, or kidnapping, and (C) occur primarily within the territorial jurisdiction of the U.S."
    US National Counterterrorism Center

    The US National Counterterrorism Center (NCTC) define terrorism the same as United States Code 22 USC 2656f(d)(2). The Center also defines a terrorist act as a: "...premeditated; perpetrated by a sub-national or clandestine agent; politically motivated, potentially including religious, philosophical, or culturally symbolic motivations; violent; and perpetrated against a noncombatant target." [57]
    In general insurance policies

    Some insurance companies exclude terrorism from general property insurance (e.g. home insurance). An insurance company may include a specific definition of terrorism as part of its policy, for the purpose of excluding at least some loss or damage caused by terrorism. For example, RAC Insurance in Australia defines terrorism thus:

    "Terrorism means an act including but not limited to the use of force or violence and/or threat, of any person or group of persons done for or in connection with political, religious, ideological or similar purposes including the intention to influence any government and/or to put the public, or any section of the public in fear."[58]



    Terrorism Definitions

    Terrorism is the use or threatened use of force designed to bring about political change.
    -Brian Jenkins
    Terrorism is the unlawful use or threat of violence against persons or property to further political or social objectives. It is usually intended to intimidate or coerce a government, individuals or groups, or to modify their behavior or politics.
    -Vice-President's Task Force, 1986

    Terrorism consitutes the illegitimate use of force to achieve a political objective when innocent people are targeted.
    -Walter Laqueur

    Terrorism is the premeditated, deliberate, systematic murder, mayhem, and threatening of the innocent to create fear and intimidation in order to gain a political or tactical advantage, usually to influence an audience.
    -James M. Poland
    Source: Terrorism Research Center
    "A nation can survive its fools, and even the ambitious. But it cannot survive treason from within. An enemy at the gates is less formidable, for he is known and carries his banner openly. But the traitor moves amongst those within the gate freely, his sly whispers rustling through all the alleys, heard in the very halls of government itself. For the traitor appears not a traitor; he speaks in accents familiar to his victims, and he wears their face and their arguments, he appeals to the baseness that lies deep in the hearts of all men. He rots the soul of a nation, he works secretly and unknown in the night to undermine the pillars of the city, he infects the body politic so that it can no longer resist. A murder is less to fear"

    Cicero Marcus Tullius

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    Re: Police: Gunman kills two at N.J. supermarket

    Quote Originally Posted by jamesrage View Post
    It was not social terrorism when the KKK were lynching blacks, republicans and anyone who sympathized or aided them, it was just pure and simple terrorism.
    What exactly is confusing about this statement:

    Politics may or may not play a role but the core of racism is a social ill and not government fall out.
    My main function as a Christian is to be the biggest possible jerk as a demonstration of the awe found in God's Grace and Forgiveness. (That love part comes in to play at some point)

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    Re: Police: Gunman kills two at N.J. supermarket

    Quote Originally Posted by Furiounova View Post
    What exactly is confusing about this statement:

    Politics may or may not play a role but the core of racism is a social ill and not government fall out.
    Again the motivations of the terrorist acts of the KKK were political, Not social. It was to intimidate and or scare black people,republicans and their supporters into submitting, it was to silence their views, it was to get people they wanted into power.
    "A nation can survive its fools, and even the ambitious. But it cannot survive treason from within. An enemy at the gates is less formidable, for he is known and carries his banner openly. But the traitor moves amongst those within the gate freely, his sly whispers rustling through all the alleys, heard in the very halls of government itself. For the traitor appears not a traitor; he speaks in accents familiar to his victims, and he wears their face and their arguments, he appeals to the baseness that lies deep in the hearts of all men. He rots the soul of a nation, he works secretly and unknown in the night to undermine the pillars of the city, he infects the body politic so that it can no longer resist. A murder is less to fear"

    Cicero Marcus Tullius

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    Re: Police: Gunman kills two at N.J. supermarket

    Quote Originally Posted by jamesrage View Post
    Again the motivations of the terrorist acts of the KKK were political, Not social. It was to intimidate and or scare black people,republicans and their supporters into submitting, it was to silence their views, it was to get people they wanted into power.
    What exactly is confusing about this statement:

    Politics may or may not play a role but the core of racism is a social ill and not government fall out.

    Forget about the kkk and address the statement.
    My main function as a Christian is to be the biggest possible jerk as a demonstration of the awe found in God's Grace and Forgiveness. (That love part comes in to play at some point)

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    Re: Police: Gunman kills two at N.J. supermarket

    Quote Originally Posted by Furiounova View Post
    What exactly is confusing about this statement:

    Politics may or may not play a role but the core of racism is a social ill and not government fall out.

    Forget about the kkk and address the statement.
    Again what the KKK did was political. If you actually bothered to read up on the group you would know that.You would also know that the term social terrorism doesn't exist(except in urbandictionary.com ) and that terrorism involves using violence or threats of violence to coerce people or government into a change. So therefore someone going postal is not an act of terrorism nor is some pathetic loser nutjob shooting up a place a act of terrorism because those people are not trying to intimidate or coerce some sort of change. Trying to call it 'social terrorism' is just ****en idiotic and devalues the word terrorist.
    "A nation can survive its fools, and even the ambitious. But it cannot survive treason from within. An enemy at the gates is less formidable, for he is known and carries his banner openly. But the traitor moves amongst those within the gate freely, his sly whispers rustling through all the alleys, heard in the very halls of government itself. For the traitor appears not a traitor; he speaks in accents familiar to his victims, and he wears their face and their arguments, he appeals to the baseness that lies deep in the hearts of all men. He rots the soul of a nation, he works secretly and unknown in the night to undermine the pillars of the city, he infects the body politic so that it can no longer resist. A murder is less to fear"

    Cicero Marcus Tullius

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