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    Re: Police: Gunman kills two at N.J. supermarket

    Quote Originally Posted by Furiounova View Post
    I'm saying social terrorism exists and I'm trying to explain why.
    Other than the definition from urban dictionary(which has nothing to do with violence or terrorism) there is no such thing as social terrorism. Again if it does not involve “the unlawful use of force and violence against persons or property to intimidate or coerce a government, the civilian population, or any segment thereof, in furtherance of political or social objectives” then it is not terrorism period. Simply just murdering people because you are pissed off at them or the employer is not terrorism.

    Using the OP story, what would you call it? Going postal is a gloss job so come up with something substantive.
    Going postal is a slang term for work place homicides.Therefore calling 'going postal' is substantive. Legally it would probably be just a double murder and suicide, maybe a triple homicide. I don't think murderer two people would qualify as a mass murder.We should probably ask forum members who are or used to be police officers what a double murder and suicide would be legally called.

    Going postal - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
    Going postal, in American English slang, means becoming extremely and uncontrollably angry, often to the point of violence, and usually in a post office or other workplace environment.


    CDC would call it workplace homicide
    CDC - Occupational Violence - NIOSH Workplace Safety and Health Topic
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    Re: Police: Gunman kills two at N.J. supermarket

    Quote Originally Posted by jamesrage View Post
    Other than the definition from urban dictionary(which has nothing to do with violence or terrorism) there is no such thing as social terrorism. Again if it does not involve “the unlawful use of force and violence against persons or property to intimidate or coerce a government, the civilian population, or any segment thereof, in furtherance of political or social objectives” then it is not terrorism period. Simply just murdering people because you are pissed off at them or the employer is not terrorism.



    Going postal is a slang term for work place homicides.Therefore calling 'going postal' is substantive. Legally it would probably be just a double murder and suicide, maybe a triple homicide. I don't think murderer two people would qualify as a mass murder.We should probably ask forum members who are or used to be police officers what a double murder and suicide would be legally called.

    Going postal - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
    Going postal, in American English slang, means becoming extremely and uncontrollably angry, often to the point of violence, and usually in a post office or other workplace environment.


    CDC would call it workplace homicide
    CDC - Occupational Violence - NIOSH Workplace Safety and Health Topic
    There is really nothing here that addresses my post. You don't even attempt to give a better definition and instead rely on stale slang that is endemic to the work environment.
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    Re: Police: Gunman kills two at N.J. supermarket

    Quote Originally Posted by Harshaw View Post


    Only by strict FBI numerical designation, and only because it stopped before it got to four -- mostly because the gunman was apparently incompetent.

    From your own OP:



    He apparently tried to kill more but didn't succeed.

    If you're claiming it was of a piece with the other shootings, then it was a mass shooting in the same vein.

    If you refuse to accept that, then you absolutely are making things up to fit whatever narrative it is you've got concocted in your head.



    What I am doing is looking for the most accurate description. Terrorism doesn't fit and they are not mass murders so maybe I'm crazy for looking for accuracy.
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    No he did not try to kill more and fail. He committed suicide.

    Mass murder also glosses over it too much because it says nothing about the nature of the attack.

    You don't like my term? Fine. Challenge me on it for accuracy and consistency. Give some examples of shootings and ask which ones fit ST and which ones don't and why
    You have my criteria list.
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    Re: Police: Gunman kills two at N.J. supermarket

    Quote Originally Posted by Furiounova View Post
    There is really nothing here that addresses my post. You don't even attempt to give a better definition and instead rely on stale slang that is endemic to the work environment.
    Yes it does address your post.Going postal is slang but it is a used term. If you ask any body what 'going postal' is they will know it is a workplace homicide and where the term originated from. There is no such thing as a social terrorism, it doesn't exist. I posted a link of the CDC calling it workplace homicide. What describes the events in the OP is a double murder and suicide.
    "A nation can survive its fools, and even the ambitious. But it cannot survive treason from within. An enemy at the gates is less formidable, for he is known and carries his banner openly. But the traitor moves amongst those within the gate freely, his sly whispers rustling through all the alleys, heard in the very halls of government itself. For the traitor appears not a traitor; he speaks in accents familiar to his victims, and he wears their face and their arguments, he appeals to the baseness that lies deep in the hearts of all men. He rots the soul of a nation, he works secretly and unknown in the night to undermine the pillars of the city, he infects the body politic so that it can no longer resist. A murder is less to fear"

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    Re: Police: Gunman kills two at N.J. supermarket

    Quote Originally Posted by jamesrage View Post
    Yes it does address your post.Going postal is slang but it is a used term. If you ask any body what 'going postal' is they will know it is a workplace homicide and where the term originated from. There is no such thing as a social terrorism, it doesn't exist. I posted a link of the CDC calling it workplace homicide. What describes the events in the OP is a double murder and suicide.
    I really don't care what your opinion is on this because you practice dialogue like Michael Moore is concerned about his weight.
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    Re: Police: Gunman kills two at N.J. supermarket

    Quote Originally Posted by Furiounova View Post
    I really don't care what your opinion is on this because you practice dialogue like Michael Moore is concerned about his weight.

    It is not opinion. It is a fact that the CDC describes murders that happen in the work place as 'work place homicides'. It is a fact “the unlawful use of force and violence against persons or property to intimidate or coerce a government, the civilian population, or any segment thereof, in furtherance of political or social objectives” is terrorism. It is a fact that there is no such thing as social terrorism. It is a fact that what occurred in the OP is two murders and suicide and possible additional attempted murders since according to the article he had a AK-47,a handgun and fired 16 rounds.
    "A nation can survive its fools, and even the ambitious. But it cannot survive treason from within. An enemy at the gates is less formidable, for he is known and carries his banner openly. But the traitor moves amongst those within the gate freely, his sly whispers rustling through all the alleys, heard in the very halls of government itself. For the traitor appears not a traitor; he speaks in accents familiar to his victims, and he wears their face and their arguments, he appeals to the baseness that lies deep in the hearts of all men. He rots the soul of a nation, he works secretly and unknown in the night to undermine the pillars of the city, he infects the body politic so that it can no longer resist. A murder is less to fear"

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    Re: Police: Gunman kills two at N.J. supermarket

    Quote Originally Posted by jamesrage View Post
    It is not opinion. It is a fact that the CDC describes murders that happen in the work place as 'work place homicides'. It is a fact “the unlawful use of force and violence against persons or property to intimidate or coerce a government, the civilian population, or any segment thereof, in furtherance of political or social objectives” is terrorism. It is a fact that there is no such thing as social terrorism. It is a fact that what occurred in the OP is two murders and suicide and possible additional attempted murders since according to the article he had a AK-47,a handgun and fired 16 rounds.
    Do you understand I am working with a new term that most accurately describes events and that the CDC does not have every freaking term in the world in cookie cutter legal definitions so that anal retentive blocks don't throw fits every time they see a term that isn't in the CDC library?

    If you don't like the term social terrorism then don't use it. I don't care.
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    Re: Police: Gunman kills two at N.J. supermarket

    No he did not try to kill more and fail. He committed suicide.
    So, he fired the other 14 shots into the air, for fun?


    Mass murder also glosses over it too much because it says nothing about the nature of the attack.
    No, it "glosses over" exactly what you want to characterize it as to suit your agenda. That doesn't mean it's inaccurate; it only means you don't get to use it the way you want.

    You don't like my term? Fine. Challenge me on it for accuracy and consistency. Give some examples of shootings and ask which ones fit ST and which ones don't and why
    You have my criteria list.
    None of the shootings have much of anything in common, other than mere happenstance. You cannot create a pathological phenomenon out of them; it simply doesn't exist.
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    Re: Police: Gunman kills two at N.J. supermarket

    Quote Originally Posted by Furiounova View Post
    Do you understand I am working with a new term
    We understand that you're making things up.
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    Re: Police: Gunman kills two at N.J. supermarket

    Quote Originally Posted by Harshaw View Post
    So, he fired the other 14 shots into the air, for fun?




    No, it "glosses over" exactly what you want to characterize it as to suit your agenda. That doesn't mean it's inaccurate; it only means you don't get to use it the way you want.



    None of the shootings have much of anything in common, other than mere happenstance. You cannot create a pathological phenomenon out of them; it simply doesn't exist.
    You don't like my term? Fine. Challenge me on it for accuracy and consistency. Give some examples of shootings and ask which ones fit ST and which ones don't and why
    You have my criteria list.
    My main function as a Christian is to be the biggest possible jerk as a demonstration of the awe found in God's Grace and Forgiveness. (That love part comes in to play at some point)

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