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    Re: Police: Gunman kills two at N.J. supermarket

    Quote Originally Posted by Furiounova View Post
    Except I didn't say I don't have time to post.
    Yes, I was NOT referring to you with my complains about the people not wanting to provide links to their claims.
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    Re: Police: Gunman kills two at N.J. supermarket

    Quote Originally Posted by Furiounova View Post
    Uniquely American in both frequency and style.

    The Norway shooting doesnt count because that was not social terrorism.

    I will not entertain his nonsense any further, nor indulge its continued discussion. I leave you to it.

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    Re: Police: Gunman kills two at N.J. supermarket

    Quote Originally Posted by Goshin View Post
    I will not entertain his nonsense any further, nor indulge its continued discussion. I leave you to it.
    The Norway shooting was traditional terrorism in that the shooter had a specific agenda against Muslims.
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    Re: Police: Gunman kills two at N.J. supermarket

    Quote Originally Posted by CaptainCourtesy View Post
    DAMN! I was right NEAR there the other night (on Rt. 9 North, on the OTHER side of the Raritan bridge)... and my brother used to work for Path Mark.
    Changes context a bit when it is such a familiar location. Years ago I was "dating" a co worker who recently broke up with her fiance and one night we were going to go out but I canceled and she went to chi chi's with a female friend. Apparently he was out looking for her, saw her car in the parking lot and waited. When she came out he got out of his car and pulled a gun on her and her friend. At the last moment he turned the gun on his own head and pulled the trigger. We would have both been dead if we were together. She got through it okay but when it is that close.....it just forces a new perspective.
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    Re: Police: Gunman kills two at N.J. supermarket

    Quote Originally Posted by LaMidRighter View Post
    Actually, we've covered this. I do know the basics and I know more about these issues than you, it's been demonstrated. So bring something factual, and stop torturing criminal statute language.
    You are far more intelligent and educated than I could ever hope to be on this or any other subject. Forgive me for implying anything less. Please.
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    Re: Police: Gunman kills two at N.J. supermarket

    Quote Originally Posted by Furiounova View Post
    The Norway shooting was traditional terrorism in that the shooter had a specific agenda against Muslims.
    There is no such thing as social terrorism. If it does not involve the “the unlawful use of force and violence against persons or property to intimidate or coerce a government, the civilian population, or any segment thereof, in furtherance of political or social objectives” then it is not terrorism period.
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    Re: Police: Gunman kills two at N.J. supermarket

    Quote Originally Posted by Furiounova View Post
    I had read through many of them and if you actually looked at the criteria I laid out you wouldn't have wasted your time linking mass murders that have nothing to do with the topic.
    What you're doing is what everyone says you're doing -- redefining the crime into something which fits your . . . what? Agenda? Worldview?

    These were mass shootings and mass murders. Seems to me you want to call some of them "social terrorism" just so you can use it to make some kind of point that the statistics simply don't bear out.

    You don't get to call it something it isn't just because you like it better for your premise.
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    Re: Police: Gunman kills two at N.J. supermarket

    Quote Originally Posted by Harshaw View Post
    What you're doing is what everyone says you're doing -- redefining the crime into something which fits your . . . what? Agenda? Worldview?

    These were mass shootings and mass murders. Seems to me you want to call some of them "social terrorism" just so you can use it to make some kind of point that the statistics simply don't bear out.

    You don't get to call it something it isn't just because you like it better for your premise.
    The OP story was not a mass murder.

    What I am doing is looking for the most accurate description. Terrorism doesn't fit and they are not mass murders so maybe I'm crazy for looking for accuracy.
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    Re: Police: Gunman kills two at N.J. supermarket

    Quote Originally Posted by jamesrage View Post
    There is no such thing as social terrorism. If it does not involve the “the unlawful use of force and violence against persons or property to intimidate or coerce a government, the civilian population, or any segment thereof, in furtherance of political or social objectives” then it is not terrorism period.
    I'm saying social terrorism exists and I'm trying to explain why. Using the OP story, what would you call it? Going postal is a gloss job so come up with something substantive.
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    Re: Police: Gunman kills two at N.J. supermarket

    Quote Originally Posted by Furiounova View Post
    The OP story was not a mass murder.



    Only by strict FBI numerical designation, and only because it stopped before it got to four -- mostly because the gunman was apparently incompetent.

    From your own OP:

    "I believe everyone in the store was a target," said Kaplan, who noted that the gunman fired 16 rounds during his attack."
    He apparently tried to kill more but didn't succeed.

    If you're claiming it was of a piece with the other shootings, then it was a mass shooting in the same vein.

    If you refuse to accept that, then you absolutely are making things up to fit whatever narrative it is you've got concocted in your head.



    What I am doing is looking for the most accurate description. Terrorism doesn't fit and they are not mass murders so maybe I'm crazy for looking for accuracy.[/QUOTE]
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