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    Re: Police: Gunman kills two at N.J. supermarket

    There are no solutions that can be proposed in terms of legislation that has a snowballs chance of passage. Unless these events begin to happy on a weekly basis and get a whole lot worse, that will not change for the foreseeable future.
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    Re: Police: Gunman kills two at N.J. supermarket

    Quote Originally Posted by beerftw View Post
    dang i was just about to post that too why did you have to beat me to it

    Urban Dictionary: Social Terrorism
    Im pretty sure he means the kind of social terrorism where people commit random acts of violence on society...like...the daily gang shootings, drive bys, etc. They have had two just down the street from Obamas house in Chicago this last week alone. Of course...that 'community'...he did build that...

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    Quote Originally Posted by Harshaw View Post
    Then why don't you come out and say 1) what the "common elements" of this "epidemic" are and 2) what you propose to do to "address" it?

    Or, if you have already done so, point me to it.
    No deep personal connection to the victims.

    No political, religious, or ideological agenda being pushed.

    Typically commit suicide to end it.

    Very public locations.

    Attackers tend to blend in with society and are usually Caucasian males under 40.

    How to address it? Not sure where to begin which is why I'm looking for the most accurate description and social terrorism is what I have at the moment. There are two main reasons for the term:

    1. Highlighting the absence of any agenda.
    2. It is fallout from a failing society.

    These attackers are symptoms of how our celebrated individualism has created a culture of isolation instead of integration. Without a doubt one avenue of exploration is to ask why they see death and murder as a great tool for conflict resolution.

    I would like to see the stats on these types of shootings between 1991-2000 and compare them to the period of 2001-present. I bet we will see an increase in the latter period.
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    Re: Police: Gunman kills two at N.J. supermarket

    Quote Originally Posted by VanceMack View Post
    Im pretty sure he means the kind of social terrorism where people commit random acts of violence on society...like...the daily gang shootings, drive bys, etc. They have had two just down the street from Obamas house in Chicago this last week alone. Of course...that 'community'...he did build that...
    Gang shootings are not social terrorism since they are clearly motivated by turf wars.
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    Re: Police: Gunman kills two at N.J. supermarket

    Quote Originally Posted by haymarket View Post
    There are no solutions that can be proposed in terms of legislation that has a snowballs chance of passage. Unless these events begin to happy on a weekly basis and get a whole lot worse, that will not change for the foreseeable future.
    Legislation is the last place to look and if anything, needs to be repealed on many levels because one more gun law and I will puke on a daily basis.
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    Re: Police: Gunman kills two at N.J. supermarket

    Quote Originally Posted by Furiounova View Post
    Gang shootings are not social terrorism since they are clearly motivated by turf wars.
    Wait...did you actually just write that???

    So...random acts of violence conducted to cause fear and initiate control dont count as an act of terror.

    Methinks thou dost ignore daily incidents out of political correctness...too much.

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    Re: Police: Gunman kills two at N.J. supermarket

    Quote Originally Posted by Furiounova View Post
    No deep personal connection to the victims.

    No political, religious, or ideological agenda being pushed.

    Typically commit suicide to end it.

    Very public locations.

    Attackers tend to blend in with society and are usually Caucasian males under 40.
    Nothing here speaks to anything you CAN address, which is a point I was trying to make some pages back.



    These attackers are symptoms of how our celebrated individualism has created a culture of isolation instead of integration.
    OK, that's just plain nuts. There is not one shred of evidence to suggest this, not an iota, and and it runs counter to the vast majority of US history, where individualism was given much more respect than it is now.


    Without a doubt one avenue of exploration is to ask why they see death and murder as a great tool for conflict resolution.
    You've already drawn a ridiculous conclusion on that score.


    I would like to see the stats on these types of shootings between 1991-2000 and compare them to the period of 2001-present. I bet we will see an increase in the latter period.
    Mostly took a powder from 1999 to 2007:

    A history of mass shootings in the US since Columbine - Telegraph

    And, of course, there's no motivational pattern between them.

    I'm sure you'll find one of you really, really want there to be one, though.

    Of course, WaPo looks at a much longer period and concludes there's no rhyme or reason to it.

    Colorado shootings add chapter to long, unpredictable story of U.S. mass murder - The Washington Post

    The statistics on mass murder suggest it is a phenomenon that does not track with other types of violent crime, such as street violence. It does not seem to be affected by the economy or by law enforcement strategies. The mass murderer has become almost a stock figure in American culture, someone bent on overkill — and, so often, seemingly coming out of nowhere.

    The United States experienced 645 mass-murder events — killings with at least four victims — between 1976 and 2010, according to Northeastern University criminologist James Alan Fox. When graphed, these incidents show no obvious trend. The numbers go up and down and up again. The total body count: 2,949.
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    Re: Police: Gunman kills two at N.J. supermarket

    Quote Originally Posted by Furiounova View Post
    Gang shootings are not social terrorism since they are clearly motivated by turf wars.
    Sometimes, they just want to beat em down baby. Gotta represent.



    Face it. Your OP is flawed. There is destruction and violence every day in this country. The only time you pay attention is when it is perpetrated by a white guy.

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    Re: Police: Gunman kills two at N.J. supermarket

    Quote Originally Posted by VanceMack View Post
    Sometimes, they just want to beat em down baby. Gotta represent.



    Face it. Your OP is flawed. There is destruction and violence every day in this country. The only time you pay attention is when it is perpetrated by a white guy.
    Lol.....the shooter in the OP is not white....once again someone criticizing my position without knowing basic facts. Forgive me if I dont take it seriously.
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    Re: Police: Gunman kills two at N.J. supermarket

    Quote Originally Posted by VanceMack View Post
    Wait...did you actually just write that???

    So...random acts of violence conducted to cause fear and initiate control dont count as an act of terror.

    Methinks thou dost ignore daily incidents out of political correctness...too much.
    Gang shootings are not random acts of violence. It is organized crime.
    My main function as a Christian is to be the biggest possible jerk as a demonstration of the awe found in God's Grace and Forgiveness. (That love part comes in to play at some point)

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