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    Re: Sparks fly’ over US policy on Iran at meeting between Netanyahu and US envoy

    The Pro-Israel at any cost crowd is in rare form in this thread. They overlook the sanctions imposed on Iran, the damage being done to their economy, and focus on a few nits to pick. Nutti-yahoo whines like the physical coward/political bully he is.

    'Pressure' on Israel? Not pressuring Iran? WTF??!!

    We back Israel's total disregard for any UN directives, be it to abandon the West Bank settlements, allow trade to arrive at the Gaza ports, start serious talks with the Palestinians.

    I do love the 'X-spurt' opinions that national leaders would commit suicide and destroy their homeland. Hitler is the favorite badguy to point to at such times, it should be pointed out he didn't jump straight into the maelstrom of destruction but gained most of Europe quickly and with little effort.

    A far better bunch of fanatics to look at are the Japanese of WWII, fanatics who were planning to send young girls to fight on the beaches with sharpened bamboo balked at the idea of nuclear holocaust- if we believe the pro-bomb crowd. There is a very sobering finality to mushroom clouds, we tend to think others do see them as such when it suits us but relied on that very thought to keep the world from using them. (back in the day many hardliners called the Roosians crazy and willing to launch all out nuclear war, the Soviets played right along claiming their CD could protect much of their population)

    Nutty-yahoo is a rare bird in the Israel chicken coop. A senior Israeli politician who never did time for Gawd and Israel in the military, his brother was the Hero of Entebbe and Nutty is the free loading politician.

    The USofA, and every President since Truman has backed Israel in times of grave danger, from blocking votes at the UN to flying in desperately needed supplies as the bullets flew.

    What irks some in the fanatic pro-Israel crowd is the USofA is one day the US will have to quit covering for Israel. This isn't 1973. The GOP is quite willing to embrace any cause if it weakens their political opponents, be it angry white dudes from the South, or petulant supporters of an European colony in The Levant.

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    Re: Sparks fly’ over US policy on Iran at meeting between Netanyahu and US envoy

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    There is a large difference between killing yourself and 20 others and waging nuclear war.
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    Re: Sparks fly’ over US policy on Iran at meeting between Netanyahu and US envoy

    Quote Originally Posted by notquiteright View Post
    The Pro-Israel at any cost crowd is in rare form in this thread. They overlook the sanctions imposed on Iran, the damage being done to their economy, and focus on a few nits to pick. Nutti-yahoo whines like the physical coward/political bully he is.

    'Pressure' on Israel? Not pressuring Iran? WTF??!!

    We back Israel's total disregard for any UN directives, be it to abandon the West Bank settlements, allow trade to arrive at the Gaza ports, start serious talks with the Palestinians.

    I do love the 'X-spurt' opinions that national leaders would commit suicide and destroy their homeland. Hitler is the favorite badguy to point to at such times, it should be pointed out he didn't jump straight into the maelstrom of destruction but gained most of Europe quickly and with little effort.

    A far better bunch of fanatics to look at are the Japanese of WWII, fanatics who were planning to send young girls to fight on the beaches with sharpened bamboo balked at the idea of nuclear holocaust- if we believe the pro-bomb crowd. There is a very sobering finality to mushroom clouds, we tend to think others do see them as such when it suits us but relied on that very thought to keep the world from using them. (back in the day many hardliners called the Roosians crazy and willing to launch all out nuclear war, the Soviets played right along claiming their CD could protect much of their population)

    Nutty-yahoo is a rare bird in the Israel chicken coop. A senior Israeli politician who never did time for Gawd and Israel in the military, his brother was the Hero of Entebbe and Nutty is the free loading politician.

    The USofA, and every President since Truman has backed Israel in times of grave danger, from blocking votes at the UN to flying in desperately needed supplies as the bullets flew.

    What irks some in the fanatic pro-Israel crowd is the USofA is one day the US will have to quit covering for Israel. This isn't 1973. The GOP is quite willing to embrace any cause if it weakens their political opponents, be it angry white dudes from the South, or petulant supporters of an European colony in The Levant.
    Has any of this "pressure" dissuaded Iran from pursuing its nuclear program?
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    Re: Sparks fly’ over US policy on Iran at meeting between Netanyahu and US envoy

    But there has been pressure applied. The Nutty-yahoo crowd is trying to make this sound like Iran always Israel never.

    But the Crying Israel and at any cost crowd here is missing is Israel doesn't hold back just because someone asks them to.

    Not in Gaza.

    Not in International waters.

    Not on the West Bank.

    If Nutty is feeling froggy and doesn't want to use common sense, let him order his Air Force to attack Iran.

    THAT is the action of a madman.

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    Re: Sparks fly’ over US policy on Iran at meeting between Netanyahu and US envoy

    Quote Originally Posted by notquiteright View Post
    But there has been pressure applied. The Nutty-yahoo crowd is trying to make this sound like Iran always Israel never.

    But the Crying Israel and at any cost crowd here is missing is Israel doesn't hold back just because someone asks them to.

    Not in Gaza.

    Not in International waters.

    Not on the West Bank.

    If Nutty is feeling froggy and doesn't want to use common sense, let him order his Air Force to attack Iran.

    THAT is the action of a madman.
    How much would you want the US government to hold back if someone was shooting rockets at our towns? Maybe you think Israel should hold back until they hit a school or something?

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    Re: Sparks fly’ over US policy on Iran at meeting between Netanyahu and US envoy

    Quote Originally Posted by notquiteright View Post
    But there has been pressure applied. The Nutty-yahoo crowd is trying to make this sound like Iran always Israel never.

    But the Crying Israel and at any cost crowd here is missing is Israel doesn't hold back just because someone asks them to.

    Not in Gaza.

    Not in International waters.

    Not on the West Bank.
    Is Israel hadn't held back, Iran wouldn't have a nuclear program. And Gaza and the West Bank would have ONLY Israeli settlements.
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    Re: Sparks fly’ over US policy on Iran at meeting between Netanyahu and US envoy

    Quote Originally Posted by notquiteright View Post
    But there has been pressure applied. The Nutty-yahoo crowd is trying to make this sound like Iran always Israel never.

    But the Crying Israel and at any cost crowd here is missing is Israel doesn't hold back just because someone asks them to.

    Not in Gaza.

    Not in International waters.

    Not on the West Bank.

    If Nutty is feeling froggy and doesn't want to use common sense, let him order his Air Force to attack Iran.

    THAT is the action of a madman.

    There is no basis in reality for this post. If Israel or the US had not held back the political landscape of the region would look very different than it currently does.

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    Re: Sparks fly’ over US policy on Iran at meeting between Netanyahu and US envoy

    Israels 'holding back' has nothing to do with the Iran's nuclear program. Israel can try to hurt the Program, but Iran's program is nothing like Iraq's. Like I said any time Israel feels froggy let them jump, just they will lose US support, and THAT is what holds them back. Without the US they can't ignore the World.

    Israel won't seize the Gaza Strip or the West Bank expelling the Palestinians. The backlash from the Sunni world would make dining in any Israeli cafe a true life and death activity. It wasn't Israel 'holding back' that had them surrendering the Sinai. It wasn't Israel holding back that got them mauled in Lebanon during the 2006 Incursion.

    Israel has gone from the plucky little guy fighting off hordes of enemies to a heavy handed bully who wouldn't still be a nation if not for the USofA.

    Iran gaining nuclear weapons isn't an existential threat, it is a dominance threat.

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    Re: Sparks fly’ over US policy on Iran at meeting between Netanyahu and US envoy

    Quote Originally Posted by notquiteright View Post
    Israels 'holding back' has nothing to do with the Iran's nuclear program. Israel can try to hurt the Program, but Iran's program is nothing like Iraq's. Like I said any time Israel feels froggy let them jump, just they will lose US support, and THAT is what holds them back. Without the US they can't ignore the World.
    So then you admit they will listen to someone? You weren't saying that here:
    Quote Originally Posted by notquiteright View Post
    ...Israel doesn't hold back just because someone asks them to.
    Quote Originally Posted by notquiteright View Post
    Israel won't seize the Gaza Strip or the West Bank expelling the Palestinians. The backlash from the Sunni world would make dining in any Israeli cafe a true life and death activity. It wasn't Israel 'holding back' that had them surrendering the Sinai. It wasn't Israel holding back that got them mauled in Lebanon during the 2006 Incursion.
    "dining in any Israeli cafe a true life and death activity," has ALWAYS been a life and death activity. An Israeli grandma riding the bus home after buying tomatoes has been an exercise in bravery.

    "Lebanon" got mauled in the 2006 invasion. The most notable damage Israel took was an Arab citizen of Israel had his warehouse (loaded with pots and pans) destroyed by Katyusha rockets supplied from Iran. In fact, Lebanon managed to wound more Israeli civilians than Israeli soldiers, despite the fact the most of the conflict was fought within Lebanon.

    (sorry, formatting stinks)
    . Soldiers Killed - Wounded - Captured - Civilians Killed - Civilians Wounded - Rockets fired on Israel
    Total 119 - 1244 - 2 - 43 - 1384 - 3990
    Most of the "mauling" Israel took was on their civilian populace

    Most Israeli civilians fled the region or took refuge in bomb shelters as Hezbollah fired rockets.[207] Hezbollah rockets killed 44 Israeli civilians during the conflict,[24] including four civilians who died of heart attacks as a direct result of the rocket attacks.[244] At least 18 of those killed were Israeli Arabs[247][248] The last civilian victim was an Israeli-Arab man who died on 30 August 2007, from injuries sustained in a rocket attack on Haifa.[249] In addition, 4,262 civilians were injured–33 seriously wounded, 68 moderately, 1,388 lightly, and 2,773 suffered from shock and anxiety.[25] According to Human Rights Watch, "These bombs may have killed 'only' 43 civilians, but that says more about the availability of warning systems and bomb shelters throughout most of Northern Israel and the evacuation of more than 350,000 people than it does about Hezbollah's intentions."[250]
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    Re: Sparks fly’ over US policy on Iran at meeting between Netanyahu and US envoy

    Quote Originally Posted by notquiteright View Post
    Israels 'holding back' has nothing to do with the Iran's nuclear program. Israel can try to hurt the Program, but Iran's program is nothing like Iraq's. Like I said any time Israel feels froggy let them jump, just they will lose US support, and THAT is what holds them back. Without the US they can't ignore the World.

    Israel won't seize the Gaza Strip or the West Bank expelling the Palestinians. The backlash from the Sunni world would make dining in any Israeli cafe a true life and death activity. It wasn't Israel 'holding back' that had them surrendering the Sinai. It wasn't Israel holding back that got them mauled in Lebanon during the 2006 Incursion.

    Israel has gone from the plucky little guy fighting off hordes of enemies to a heavy handed bully who wouldn't still be a nation if not for the USofA.

    Iran gaining nuclear weapons isn't an existential threat, it is a dominance threat.
    You are apparently unaware that Israel got control of the Gaza Strip, West Bank, Jerusalem and the Golan Heights when the "Sunni World" as you put tried to attack Israel and got the heads handed to them in just 6 days of warfare. After that war, it was Israel that built housing and moved the Palestinian refugees at that time from camps into houses. Something all those concerned "Sunnis" wouldn't do for them when they had control. Lot of bloody good that kindness did them.

    And yes it was them holding back in Lebanon that caused them problems. They were not facing a uniformed military, they were trying to fight insurgents without causing mass casualties. Had they not cared about civilian casualties, they would of just rolled right over everyone.

    I put Sunni in quotes because Iran, who has also been threatening and sponsoring terrorist attacks against Israel is Shi'ite. They also have been funding attacks against Sunnis.

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