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    Mom with shotgun fends off daughter's would-be kidnapper.

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    Mom with shotgun fends off daughter's would-be kidnapper
    By Jim Guy - The Fresno Bee
    Wednesday, Aug. 29, 2012 | 07:24 AM

    Fresno County sheriff's detectives on Tuesday, Aug. 28,
    investigate an attempted child abduction east of Fowler.


    A mother fought off an intruder who tried to abduct her 2-year-old daughter and then used a shotgun to chase the man away Tuesday morning west of Fowler, the Fresno County Sheriff's Office said.

    The woman battled furiously against the man after he broke into her home on the 8000 block of South Maple Avenue about 8:39 a.m., sheriff's spokesman Chris Curtice said.

    The man used a door or window to enter the home. The man threw the woman to the floor but she to fight him as he struck and kicked her. He then grabbed the 2-year-old and tried to get to his car.The woman then got the shotgun and ordered the man to release her daughter. The suspect dropped the child and then drove south on Maple Avenue. Curtice said the toddler was not hurt and the woman sustained minor injuries.
    This is why I 'need' a gun.
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    Re: Mom with shotgun fends off daughter's would-be kidnapper.

    Quote Originally Posted by Jerry View Post
    This is why I need a gun. So now you know.
    To make it easier to abduct young children from armed mothers?

    (There is actually a serious point in that comment)

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    Re: Mom with shotgun fends off daughter's would-be kidnapper.

    Quote Originally Posted by HonestJoe View Post
    To make it easier to abduct young children from armed mothers?

    (There is actually a serious point in that comment)
    Yes, as a deployed single father of 2, I want to abduct children

    This is the wrong thread to troll. Go be coy somewhere else.

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    Re: Mom with shotgun fends off daughter's would-be kidnapper.

    Quote Originally Posted by Jerry View Post
    Yes, as a deployed single father of 2, I want to abduct children

    This is the wrong thread to troll. Go be coy somewhere else.
    You seem to have missed (or ignored) my point so I'll put it more straight forwards;

    I don't necessarily disagree with the right to bare arms but you need to recognise that the freer gun ownership doesn't just make it easier for people like the mother in this case to get a gun but it also makes it easier for people like the man in the case to get one too.

    It's not a simple issue, there are many complications that I think require more consideration than they seem to receive.

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    Re: Mom with shotgun fends off daughter's would-be kidnapper.

    As long as guns exist, at least one person is going to have at least one gun. That one person will have the power to compel others to do things they otherwise wouldn't have done. In fact, many people have guns, and not all of them use their power fairly or reasonably. The only solution is to allow everyone, within reason, who wants to own a gun, to own one. Actually, as many as they would like, methinks.

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    Re: Mom with shotgun fends off daughter's would-be kidnapper.

    She couldn't shoot the kidnapper.. He was holding her 2 year old.

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    Re: Mom with shotgun fends off daughter's would-be kidnapper.

    Quote Originally Posted by sharon View Post
    She couldn't shoot the kidnapper.. He was holding her 2 year old.
    Dont know what type of shot gun it was, the distances she was from him, or how good a shot she was but if it was me?

    once he drops the kid, if I can do it safely, I shoot him dead.
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    Re: Mom with shotgun fends off daughter's would-be kidnapper.

    Quote Originally Posted by HonestJoe View Post
    You seem to have missed (or ignored) my point so I'll put it more straight forwards;

    I don't necessarily disagree with the right to bare arms but you need to recognise that the freer gun ownership doesn't just make it easier for people like the mother in this case to get a gun but it also makes it easier for people like the man in the case to get one too.

    It's not a simple issue, there are many complications that I think require more consideration than they seem to receive.
    That argument is used here against arming the British police in general and allowing gun ownership here. The thought is that if guns were more available and the police were armed then muggers and thieves would arm themselves too.

    Trouble is, the wrong type of people can easily get guns here while the law-abiding can't. If this same scenario had happened here, this woman wouldn't have been able to order the would-be kidnapper to release her daughter.

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    Re: Mom with shotgun fends off daughter's would-be kidnapper.

    Quote Originally Posted by HonestJoe View Post
    You seem to have missed (or ignored) my point so I'll put it more straight forwards;

    I don't necessarily disagree with the right to bare arms but you need to recognise that the freer gun ownership doesn't just make it easier for people like the mother in this case to get a gun but it also makes it easier for people like the man in the case to get one too.

    It's not a simple issue, there are many complications that I think require more consideration than they seem to receive.
    strict gun restrictions means the woman wouldn't have a gun. Someone willing to commit a First degree federal felony with 15-25 years of prison under the Sentencing Guidelines is not going to worry about having an illegal gun

    gun control makes criminals' activities safer for them

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    Re: Mom with shotgun fends off daughter's would-be kidnapper.

    Quote Originally Posted by HonestJoe View Post
    You seem to have missed (or ignored) my point so I'll put it more straight forwards;

    I don't necessarily disagree with the right to bare arms but you need to recognise that the freer gun ownership doesn't just make it easier for people like the mother in this case to get a gun but it also makes it easier for people like the man in the case to get one too.

    It's not a simple issue, there are many complications that I think require more consideration than they seem to receive.
    People have the right to address those complications and own a firearm in a manor which best suits their fact-dependent needs, lifestyle, and preferences.

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