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    Re: Mom with shotgun fends off daughter's would-be kidnapper.

    Quote Originally Posted by sawyerloggingon View Post
    I didn't know that.
    Actually I'd better admit I am not 100% sure about that. I was TOLD, by someone who is usually right about such things, that it had to be done by a gunsmith to be legal. I haven't looked it up myself... probably under Federal Law, either the 68 act or the 30-something act....might depend on just how short you're cutting the barrel too.

    I've never been overly interested in sawn-off shotguns since one early experience with one left me unimpressed, so I am not expert on this subject.
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    Re: Mom with shotgun fends off daughter's would-be kidnapper.

    Quote Originally Posted by Goshin View Post
    Actually I'd better admit I am not 100% sure about that. I was TOLD, by someone who is usually right about such things, that it had to be done by a gunsmith to be legal. I haven't looked it up myself... probably under Federal Law, either the 68 act or the 30-something act....
    The whole Randy Weaver thing was about him sawing off a shotgun for some fed informer so you may be right.

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    Re: Mom with shotgun fends off daughter's would-be kidnapper.

    Quote Originally Posted by Jerry View Post
    Long barrels make it difficult to use in a building, is the first reason that comes to mind. Military shot guns are shorter for that reason.

    Double barrel = only 2 shots, is another reason. I'd rather have a nice pump-action or auto with more rounds.

    And I guess my last reason is I wouldn't have any gun to intimidate. I would have a gun to kill.
    Jerry is correct. Once you pick up a gun in defense, you should have already made the decision to use it, if you must. Personally, I think it is bad practice to display a gun as a threat. If the threat doesn't work you then have to make the decision to use the gun or not. At that point you could be several seconds too late. Or force yourself into a situation where you use it perhaps when you shouldn't, or you force the other guy and thus escalate the situation. If you display a weapon the reason should be that you are in the process of using it.

    I have a coach gun. It's fun. It's a 20 ga.x3, 20", with exposed hammers. Century Arms (Chinese). My wife wanted it for when I am not at home - or maybe for if I come home way too late. I enjoy shooting it more than she does. It's her primary defense choice, before she goes to her S&W .38 Special backup. It's not my choice, but it is the choice she is comfortable with.

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    Re: Mom with shotgun fends off daughter's would-be kidnapper.

    Quote Originally Posted by Risky Thicket View Post
    Jerry is correct. Once you pick up a gun in defense, you should have already made the decision to use it, if you must. Personally, I think it is bad practice to display a gun as a threat. If the threat doesn't work you then have to make the decision to use the gun or not. At that point you could be several seconds too late. Or force yourself into a situation where you use it perhaps when you shouldn't, or you force the other guy and thus escalate the situation. If you display a weapon the reason should be that you are in the process of using it.

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    Pretty much, yeah. If I pull it I mean to use it, unless the perp "ceases forthwith" REALLY fast... as in somewhere between Drawstroke Phase 1 and completion of trigger squeeze, and that ain't gonna be long.


    Incidentally, with apologies to Colonel Cooper, I switched to a four-phase linear drawstroke with three integral firing positions about a decade ago, rather than his semi-circular drawing arc. The linear 4 phase is more "ruggedized" for close quarters and obstacles and gives me a better indexed sight picture when it ends in an isoceles grip position.

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    Re: Mom with shotgun fends off daughter's would-be kidnapper.

    Quote Originally Posted by Chaddelamancha View Post
    Yea, it's easy to say, but lying about it makes you more guilty. Justify it any way you want to, it doesn't make it right. Your kid is safe, you are safe, and then you shoot the guy. That's murder. Congrats, now you are the criminal.
    Kill a guy who tries to kidnap my child...yeah...I'm totally good with that. I think forward in time...assume I get convicted of someothing...could I tell my family why I'm in jail? Could I sell a future employer on why I was convicted?

    "I killed a guy who tried to kidnap my son".

    Yeah, I'm good with that.

    I'm no knight in shining armor. I'm not going to yeald to the bad guy just because they're just inside the line of the law. I'm going to look for a way to end his life and get away with it. If I find that way, the kidnapper's dead, no question.

    If you don't want to play by the rules, I won't play by the rules either.
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    Re: Mom with shotgun fends off daughter's would-be kidnapper.

    Quote Originally Posted by Jerry View Post
    Kill a guy who tries to kidnap my child...yeah...I'm totally good with that.

    I'm no knight in shining armor. I'm not going to yeald to the bad guy just because they're just inside the line of the law. I'm going to look for a way to end his life and get away with it. If I find that way, the kidnapper's dead, no question.

    If you don't want to play by the rules, I won't play by the rules either.
    It's a choice and mine just happens to be different. I can respect your choice, even if I don't agree with it.
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    Re: Mom with shotgun fends off daughter's would-be kidnapper.

    Quote Originally Posted by Goshin View Post
    Actually I'd better admit I am not 100% sure about that. I was TOLD, by someone who is usually right about such things, that it had to be done by a gunsmith to be legal. I haven't looked it up myself... probably under Federal Law, either the 68 act or the 30-something act....might depend on just how short you're cutting the barrel too.

    I've never been overly interested in sawn-off shotguns since one early experience with one left me unimpressed, so I am not expert on this subject.
    I think the legal limit for shotgun barrel shortening is 18"?

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    Re: Mom with shotgun fends off daughter's would-be kidnapper.

    Quote Originally Posted by Chaddelamancha View Post
    Killer, murderer, semantics.

    In case I wasn't clear, I support strict gun laws. You don't. Saying that you would kill (murder) an unarmed man, just because you can, hurts your position. It's attitudes like yours that gives us those strict gun laws you oppose.
    A person doesn't have to be armed for lethal force to be justified.

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    Re: Mom with shotgun fends off daughter's would-be kidnapper.

    Quote Originally Posted by Jerry View Post
    A person doesn't have to be armed for lethal force to be justified.
    True, but just because you have the option to kill someone, doesn't mean you should.
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    Re: Mom with shotgun fends off daughter's would-be kidnapper.

    Quote Originally Posted by Chaddelamancha View Post
    True, but just because you have the option to kill someone, doesn't mean you should.
    Uh, yes, if he's trying to kidnap my child, yes that means I should kill him. Every single time.

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