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    Re: Chicago Teachers Union Gives 10-Day Strike Notice

    Quote Originally Posted by zstep18 View Post
    What other jobs provide the same benefit to society and require the same amount of education, and pay about the same amount?
    You mean the benefit to society that almost 50% of Chicago public schools students don't graduate high school? Is that the benefit you're talking about?
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    Re: Chicago Teachers Union Gives 10-Day Strike Notice

    Quote Originally Posted by MaggieD View Post
    You mean the benefit to society that almost 50% of Chicago public schools students don't graduate high school? Is that the benefit you're talking about?
    So we should blame the teachers? It's strange that while you talk about problems with the educational system (which there are most definitely problems), you seem to think that teachers are overvalued.

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    Re: Chicago Teachers Union Gives 10-Day Strike Notice

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    What other jobs provide the same benefit to society and require the same amount of education, and pay about the same amount?
    What other jobs provide the same benefit to society and require the same amount of education, and pay about the same amount that provides 10 to 14 weeks of vacation including the entirety of the Christmas-New Years holiday and most of summer?

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    Re: Chicago Teachers Union Gives 10-Day Strike Notice

    Quote Originally Posted by zstep18 View Post
    So we should blame the teachers? It's strange that while you talk about problems with the educational system (which there are most definitely problems), you seem to think that teachers are overvalued.

    Yes, teachers having nothing to do with the education of children.

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    Re: Chicago Teachers Union Gives 10-Day Strike Notice

    Quote Originally Posted by zstep18 View Post
    What other jobs provide the same benefit to society and require the same amount of education, and pay about the same amount?
    Well, first of all the premise is erroneous. The market values of salaries are governed by supply and demand, not by what provides the most "benefit to society." As far as jobs requiring the same amount of education...there are a lot of jobs that pay about the same amount. $39,000 isn't bad for a starting professional with a bachelor's degree, especially if they can expect regular salary bumps for each year worked and a salary bump when they get their master's degree. And it's definitely not bad when you consider the dollar value of the benefits teachers receive, and the amount of hours they work.
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    Re: Chicago Teachers Union Gives 10-Day Strike Notice

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    What other jobs provide the same benefit to society and require the same amount of education, and pay about the same amount that provides 10 to 14 weeks of vacation including the entirety of the Christmas-New Years holiday and most of summer?
    A teacher doesn't stop working once they leave the classroom. And I noticed you listed several professions but then edited them out: they were cop, firefighter, paramedic, and registered nurse. Two of those professions, firefighter and cop, don't require the education that is required of teachers. The other two professions, paramedic and nurse, pay more on average than a teacher.

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    Re: Chicago Teachers Union Gives 10-Day Strike Notice

    Quote Originally Posted by zstep18 View Post
    So we should blame the teachers? It's strange that while you talk about problems with the educational system (which there are most definitely problems), you seem to think that teachers are overvalued.
    I can't speak for anyone else, but *I* certainly think teachers are overvalued. If their compensation were correctly priced, then they wouldn't have any need for a teacher's union because market forces would be sufficient to keep salaries where they were. And if their compensation were correctly priced, then there wouldn't be such an oversupply of people with teaching degrees. Teacher's unions exist to wring from the public as many perks as possible for teachers.

    That's not to say that I think their compensation should be reduced. I'd prefer instead to increase hours and/or hire more talented people by changing the structure of the compensation.
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    Re: Chicago Teachers Union Gives 10-Day Strike Notice

    If teachers salaries are determined by supply and demand could you explain why big city districts with hundreds of openings in the recent past had some of the lowest wages? I refer to Detroit which routinely had several hundred openings in the past 20 years that they could never fill while the salaries there were in the bottom 25% of tri-county districts encompassing over 70 school districts.

    Concurrently, when a top ten salary district like Bloomfield Hills had one opening they would routinely get hundreds and hundreds of applications and they never had jobs that went unclaimed.

    So how does supply and demand work into this reality?
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    Re: Chicago Teachers Union Gives 10-Day Strike Notice

    Quote Originally Posted by zstep18 View Post
    So we should blame the teachers? It's strange that while you talk about problems with the educational system (which there are most definitely problems), you seem to think that teachers are overvalued.
    I resent the fact that, here in Chicago, the teachers' unions are oblivious to taxpayer burdens. And, while on the one hand, teachers' unions are quick to point out that the teachers aren't to blame for student failure (generational student failure), they consistently say, pay us more so we can recruit better people with which to fail. More money is not the answer -- at least not more money thrown at teachers.

    Illinois (along with some other states, I'm sure) is in a financial mess, not in small part to the public sector salaries and pensions the Democratic Party has seen fit to bestow in order to shore up their voter base.
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    Re: Chicago Teachers Union Gives 10-Day Strike Notice

    Quote Originally Posted by haymarket View Post
    If teachers salaries are determined by supply and demand could you explain why big city districts with hundreds of openings in the recent past had some of the lowest wages? I refer to Detroit which routinely had several hundred openings in the past 20 years that they could never fill while the salaries there were in the bottom 25% of tri-county districts encompassing over 70 school districts.

    Concurrently, when a top ten salary district like Bloomfield Hills had one opening they would routinely get hundreds and hundreds of applications and they never had jobs that went unclaimed.

    So how does supply and demand work into this reality?
    Well, I think that just proves the point. Districts that pay less than what the labor is actually worth, will have trouble filling those positions. If they want to fill those positions, they'll have to pay more. Similarly, districts that pay more than what the labor is worth will have an oversupply of teachers willing to work there. And the latter situation is far more common.
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