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    Re: Chicago Teachers Union Gives 10-Day Strike Notice

    Quote Originally Posted by ecofarm View Post
    What does one need for that, a 2 year degree?
    in california, k6, a 4 year degree in any subject and a fifth year to get the credential

    humboldt state has one of CA's busiest teacher education programs

    ucsh, cal state hayward, also produces a lot of teachers

    in higher grades a subject-specific degree or passage of subject nte is required, plus the fifth year

    we also had to do another quarter (mainstreaming, tech in classroom and health---dang, my memory! i'm surprised) to earn the "clear"

    they then made me do four four semester unit classes about half way into my career to get a clad---CA language arts development (bics and calps, basic intercommunication skills and i-forget) about half way into my career, no one ever used it, the fad immediately faded away

    i had to pay for all these classes but they automatically moved me over columns on the pay scale

    the classes, by the way, were a joke, i did clad in front of the tv, it was essentially just a lot of paper work for a guy like me

    are they state employees?
    my check is made out by contra costa county supt of schools, but of course most the money comes from the state
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    Re: Chicago Teachers Union Gives 10-Day Strike Notice

    Quote Originally Posted by Boo Radley View Post
    Being educated in a subject, tested to make sure you know isn't being an authority?
    on teaching? knowledge of subject matter is NOT the emphasis of teacher education

    i remember when you used to pass yourself off as a small college dept chair which was always impossible because of your inability to spell

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    They fully deserve all the criticism they receive.
    gallup yesterday: 31% say private school is the best place to get an excellent education, 21 cite parochial school, 17 prefer charters, 13 home schools, and only 5% aver that public school is the best place to go

    Gallup: Americans Rate Public Schools the Worst Place to Educate Children | cnsnews.com

    furthermore, 83% of the ADULTS surveyed by america's most prestigious pollster are consumers of, that is, they're trapped in those very failed institutions of paralysis they so overwhelmingly disapprove of

    if the poll were of likely voters instead of adults, the numbers for public schools would be significantly lower

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    cognitive academic language proficiency---calps

    bics transfer, calps don't

    the theory, probably true, is that bics, basic intercommunication skills, the daily exchange of language outside the classroom, transfers

    that is, lep students (limited english proficient) will find that their limited mastery of their new, second language---english---will allow them to use what they know about L1, their native language, in basic intercommunication in their new L2, english, pretty well

    BUT---and here's the point---their ACADEMIC literacy in L2, english, will NOT transfer from their ACADEMIC mastery of L1, spanish, WITHOUT the help of the professionally trained educator in "sheltered academic instruction"

    the whole point of clad was to teach MATH teachers, and history and science and pe, how to TEACH new english learners how to transfer---most specifically in reading---their academic skills in spanish into functioning academic communication skills in english

    we had to teach new english learners how to READ their TEXTBOOKS in english, that's what it was mostly about

    it was more---how to teach native spanish speakers new to english how to LISTEN and UNDERSTAND english instruction in MATH or whatever academic subject---as well as how to SPEAK it

    like i said, after mandating we all go there, the state almost immediately abandoned the whole program

    the whole thing was a waste, i paid uc san diego about 1200 dollars in tution, spent about 10 hours filling out dittos in front of fox news, and got about a 1200 dollar a year raise for the rest of my career (and also effecting upwards my retirement)

    a win-win-win for the education establishment, not much for the taxpayers or kids

    no spin, wynn

    http://www.unco.edu/doit/resources/M...%20112_PPT.pdf

    by the way, i became quite the expert in clad, i was able and very happy to help many of my fellow teachers under the gun who had to pass to keep admin off their backs, i'm not sure that the curriculum was well presented to my colleagues

    it was very easy for me, i've always been really good at all academic subjects

    as if anyone but my nonagenarion mom cares, she's a saint

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    Re: Chicago Teachers Union Gives 10-Day Strike Notice

    Quote Originally Posted by The Prof View Post
    my check is made out by contra costa county supt of schools, but of course most the money comes from the state
    The money comes from property taxes which are usually collected by the state and then some portion is given back to particular school districts.
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    Re: Chicago Teachers Union Gives 10-Day Strike Notice

    For most teachers in this country the profession is no longer an honorable profession, it is just a job. They protect themselves as best they can. I am not sure the unions are the best form of protection for them anymore. The unions are only preserving their owns interests. Only a few of the teachers I have known still feel a calling to teach. Most are only going through the motions because their hands are tied on what they can do to maintain class discipline.

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    Re: Chicago Teachers Union Gives 10-Day Strike Notice

    The teachers are going on strike when the state is broke. There isn't any money to pay them a 12% a year raise. And people in Chicago already pay pretty high taxes, don't they?

    Calvin Coolidge made a name for himself by firing striking policemen. "There is no right to strike against the public safety by anyone, anywhere, any time." he said. That was enough to boost him to the Presidency.

    Some brave leader needs to enunciate a corollary: There is no right to strike against the welfare of our children by anyone, anywhere, any time. Will it be Rahm who does that?

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    Re: Chicago Teachers Union Gives 10-Day Strike Notice

    Quote Originally Posted by LowDown View Post
    The teachers are going on strike when the state is broke. There isn't any money to pay them a 12% a year raise.
    The Chicago School Board and Rahm Emmanuel shouldn't have decided to increase the length of the school day without any demonstrable benefit if it couldn't pay for it. Don't blame the teachers for the city's irresponsibility. That's nonsensical.

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    Re: Chicago Teachers Union Gives 10-Day Strike Notice

    Quote Originally Posted by Cephus View Post
    Come on, you don't actually think they care about the students, do you? They just want to line their own pockets. The only thing the students are good for in this is as pawns.
    So it's ok for politicians to do this (with millions of dollars), but it's not ok for teachers to want an increase in salary? Because I do believe we have career GOP (as well as Dem) politicians that do this and get voted back in over and over again.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Kandahar View Post
    It never ceases to amaze me how a special interest group can influence a political party to the point where not only do the politicians do their bidding, but the rank-and-file members of the party actually start peddling their ridiculous talking points. Democrats do it with unions; Republicans do it with corporations and rich people. Stockholm Syndrome is alive and well on both sides of the aisle.

    Teacher's unions (like other public sector unions) are an archaic institution that need to go the way of the dinosaur to make way for the 21st century. They are absolutely a force for mediocrity and the status quo. Not only do they stand in the way of their students' progress and overcharge the state relative to the market value of their services, but they actively push for policies that HARM society. They fully deserve all the criticism they receive.
    1. Chicago is a Democratic city. Therefore, it's Democrats against Democrats and has nothing to do with a special interest group influencing a political party.
    2. Do you have any evidence that teacher's unions "are a force for mediocrity and the status quo." I'm interested particularly in light of the fact that the union that is the topic of this thread has put art, music, phys ed. and science in addition to counseling services necessary for high-risk kids as things they are fighting for in their contract. That doesn't sound like it HARMS society, it sounds like it HELPS society.

    It never ceases to amaze ME how people consistently make statements that are contrary to the facts. It's confirmation bias overload. I wish I knew how to combat such confirmation bias effectively, but if it continues, then people will unknowingly harm society and students by working against the very people who are trying to help both. I find that discouraging and sickening.

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