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    Re: Chicago Teachers Union Gives 10-Day Strike Notice

    Quote Originally Posted by Cephus View Post
    But we're not talking about kids who don't want to follow a particular educational path, we're talking about kids who don't want to learn ANYTHING. No college. No trade. No nothing. They have zero interest in any kind of education, period. So what do you do with those?
    first, we get them away from the kids who are trying to learn something
    and we make that alternative really a lousy one ... think basic training awful. but if they can complete the basic then they earn a chance to return to an academic setting

    second, we take away any privileges. no way can they have a drivers license or receive pre-licensing training. no, they do not get to participate in any school/government (park & rec) organized sports. no, they cannot go to the government (park & rec) facilities. anything that would be potentially fun and is funded by government, well, they can't have any of it

    third, if their family receives assistance because that kid is in the family, then their check gets reduced because their kid is not performing and they are not motivating him/her to do so. this way we motivate them to now have a reason to get their kid interested in school

    fourth. if the family is receiving government assistance including cable connections, internet, anything more than water, power and sewer, that additional assistance will be ended for that kid's address. yep, when the siblings are not able to watch tv, go on the net, because junior is a screw up, they will then help us to make sure junior quits screwing up

    fifth. in the legal/court system, the kid's record will show that he is a screw up. let the judge use that information as he may when it comes time for sentencing

    sixth. if the kid has a child he is unable to support, as determined by any request for food stamps, housing assistance, etc., that child is immediately placed for adoption. we will not allow that child to become a welfare anchor baby, causing payments funded by the taxpayer to have to flow thru the non-performing kid, even after he reaches the age of emancipation

    seventh. if that kid has a successive child he is unable to support, (s)he will be given the choice of incarceration until the child reaches the age of 18 or (s)he can become sterilized ... and of course, the child is placed for adoption

    other than that, i've got nothing
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    Re: Chicago Teachers Union Gives 10-Day Strike Notice

    Quote Originally Posted by justabubba View Post
    first, we get them away from the kids who are trying to learn something
    and we make that alternative really a lousy one ... think basic training awful. but if they can complete the basic then they earn a chance to return to an academic setting

    second, we take away any privileges. no way can they have a drivers license or receive pre-licensing training. no, they do not get to participate in any school/government (park & rec) organized sports. no, they cannot go to the government (park & rec) facilities. anything that would be potentially fun and is funded by government, well, they can't have any of it

    third, if their family receives assistance because that kid is in the family, then their check gets reduced because their kid is not performing and they are not motivating him/her to do so. this way we motivate them to now have a reason to get their kid interested in school

    fourth. if the family is receiving government assistance including cable connections, internet, anything more than water, power and sewer, that additional assistance will be ended for that kid's address. yep, when the siblings are not able to watch tv, go on the net, because junior is a screw up, they will then help us to make sure junior quits screwing up

    fifth. in the legal/court system, the kid's record will show that he is a screw up. let the judge use that information as he may when it comes time for sentencing

    sixth. if the kid has a child he is unable to support, as determined by any request for food stamps, housing assistance, etc., that child is immediately placed for adoption. we will not allow that child to become a welfare anchor baby, causing payments funded by the taxpayer to have to flow thru the non-performing kid, even after he reaches the age of emancipation

    seventh. if that kid has a successive child he is unable to support, (s)he will be given the choice of incarceration until the child reaches the age of 18 or (s)he can become sterilized ... and of course, the child is placed for adoption

    other than that, i've got nothing
    A lot of that is patently unenforceable or illegal.

    So what will you REALISTICALLY do?
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    Re: Chicago Teachers Union Gives 10-Day Strike Notice

    Quote Originally Posted by haymarket View Post
    Check this out

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    The State Rep I work for tried to get them to come into Detroit and Michigan to set up some of their schools. During a phone call they told us that they would require at least $100,00 up front just to begin the work regardless if the school got off the ground or not. In the second year of the process, they would require between a quarter and a half million dollars to get the school okayed by the legislature. They made it quite clear that in addition to that money and full funding from the legislature, we would have to get endowments of massive amounts of money because the state grant covered less than half of the actual expenses.
    Oh, wow. That's exactly what I've got in my head. It's unfortunate that we keep throwing good money after bad in a failing model (for inner-city kids, not other public schools) when these programs are out there. I wonder what would happen if we just closed all of the failing inner-city schools and transferred those kids into these types of programs. I wonder...It will never happen, but it's fun to think about.
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    Re: Chicago Teachers Union Gives 10-Day Strike Notice

    Quote Originally Posted by Cephus View Post
    A lot of that is patently unenforceable or illegal.

    So what will you REALISTICALLY do?
    What will you do? You've asked others to give you their ideas. What are yours?
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    Re: Chicago Teachers Union Gives 10-Day Strike Notice

    Quote Originally Posted by Cephus View Post
    A lot of that is patently unenforceable or illegal.

    So what will you REALISTICALLY do?
    that's exactly what i would do
    it's realistic
    and i believe it would be effective
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    Re: Chicago Teachers Union Gives 10-Day Strike Notice

    Quote Originally Posted by joko104 View Post
    I seriously doubt that assertion. If your proof is "standardized testing" I would discount that as a measure.

    In fact, non-charter public schools starting throwing huge numbers of students into various "special educational needs" categories - thus removing them from the statistics of the school. Any student predicted to do poorly on the standardized state testing is determined to have some "learning disability" - thus their test scores are not counted. Charter schools can't do that, every student's results is counted.

    The real measure of which works better is quite a few years down the road. Ten years later, which students more likely have successful economic and acceptable to him/her career lives?
    Not sure what your real objection is, but when measured by the same standards for each, charter schools do no better. And remember, the complaint about public schools is that they do poorly on standardized tests.

    BTW, learning disability students count under NCLB.

    So, exactly what are you measuring success on for charter schools, and exactly what makes you think they are better?

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    Re: Chicago Teachers Union Gives 10-Day Strike Notice

    Quote Originally Posted by Cephus View Post
    A lot of that is patently unenforceable or illegal.

    So what will you REALISTICALLY do?
    OK, then here is another Idea.

    We simultaneously make changes to the school systems, welfare, and law enforcement.

    Adopt an education system very similar to that of Japan, with only minor alterations. At several points during the education process, students get tested and the results determine their education track. I would recommend a 3 track system. One for those who will never go beyond skilled low education work, one that ends with basically a Junior College level associates in an employable field, the final track would be those who actually have the skills, intelligence and will to move on to higher education.

    Institute a workfare system. Associate labor with earning a living from the start. Don't let the kids learn or think that they don't have to do anything and the government will just give things to them. Make DPS rules very strict on parents that do not actually provide care, discipline or guidance to their children. Move those children out of that environment and place them in a home where they are cared for, disciplined and given guidance. Can't adequately provide for your children, fine, no bigger welfare check for having them, instead we just place them in another home. Even a group home with good standards of discipline and care would be better for these children than most Welfare homes are today.

    Change the way law enforcement handles things. Build and run juvenile facilities for the juvenile criminals. Incarcerated in a "Boot Camp" until they graduate or prove that they will no longer participate in activities that got them sent there (and they have passed their education goals) and they are separated from children who can actually behave themselves. Run with a violent gang, bye, go straight to boot camp. Vandalize schools, start fights, commit crimes, disrupt classes continuously denying others the ability to get an education, off you go. If released prior to graduation, no drivers license and they are not allowed to return to the home that let them get into trouble in the first place. Disciplinary measures will include corporal punishment.

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    Re: Chicago Teachers Union Gives 10-Day Strike Notice

    Quote Originally Posted by joko104 View Post
    The school is available to all and so desired 75% of attendance is selected by lottery. However, if any student refuses to so effort or is just a cut up, that student is bounced back to the regular school.
    That may be true for the Charters where you live. In Uncle Joe's galactically large state, the only Charters that followed your lottery FAILED.

    Yes, the parents were exceedingly eager for their kids to get a quality education ... but many of the students did not share that enthusiasm. Complicating the issue were fraudulent claims made by administrators. Example, one HS principal got a Doctorate from a degree mill. She used that title until the local rag did and investigation on why her retired DE teacher hubby was getting $6500/month for teaching ONE freshman class in (of all things) ETHICS.

    I do however, agree with you on the length of stay of the teachers in the Charter Schools. They have decent teachers, but those folks land decent jobs elsewhere (mostly in education but not always in DE).

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    Re: Chicago Teachers Union Gives 10-Day Strike Notice

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    It's seems compulsive - like it's not a serious issue in itself to you but rather a curse word tossed out like '****'

    I find this strange - enough to notice. . . and wonder why the **** you do it so much.
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