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    Re: Chicago Teachers Union Gives 10-Day Strike Notice

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    Teachers are hired to turn out a product, that product being educated students. It is their job to educate. It is not their job to point fingers. If they are incapable of producing the product for which they have been hired, they need to be let go and someone who can produce better results brought in. At no point whatsoever though should a teacher who is failing to do their job get more money or more benefits. They haven't earned it.
    So, what's the incentive for a teacher in a low-income school? If there's no incentive, the types of teachers recruited at a low-income school are going to be those who are new to the profession or those who were unable to find a job anywhere else.

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    Re: Chicago Teachers Union Gives 10-Day Strike Notice

    Quote Originally Posted by Cephus View Post
    Teachers are hired to turn out a product, that product being educated students. It is their job to educate. It is not their job to point fingers. If they are incapable of producing the product for which they have been hired, they need to be let go and someone who can produce better results brought in. At no point whatsoever though should a teacher who is failing to do their job get more money or more benefits. They haven't earned it.
    Who told you that? You really should a job description. Children are not shoes, or cars, or anything you build on a assembly line.

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    Re: Chicago Teachers Union Gives 10-Day Strike Notice

    Quote Originally Posted by Cephus View Post
    Teachers are hired to turn out a product, that product being educated students. It is their job to educate. It is not their job to point fingers. If they are incapable of producing the product for which they have been hired, they need to be let go and someone who can produce better results brought in.
    that is simply dumb and silly. Teachers are professionals. It is part of the job of a professional to point out systematic defects and liabilities which could prevent the successful carrying out of their duties.
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    Re: Chicago Teachers Union Gives 10-Day Strike Notice

    Quote Originally Posted by Boo Radley View Post
    Who told you that? You really should a job description. Children are not shoes, or cars, or anything you build on a assembly line.
    what is of concern is the necessity for you to have to explain something so obvious
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    Re: Chicago Teachers Union Gives 10-Day Strike Notice

    Quote Originally Posted by The Prof View Post
    on teaching? knowledge of subject matter is NOT the emphasis of teacher education

    i remember when you used to pass yourself off as a small college dept chair which was always impossible because of your inability to spell
    And you would be wrong.

    BTW, I never took teacher education. But I have passed my subject matter.

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    School: Teacher Helps Students Cheat Because She Says They’re ‘Dumb As Hell’ CBS Atlanta

    bush and teddy kennedy's nclb tied school funding to student performance

    i was there, it changed the yearly emphasis in every school district in CA away from pushing global warming and cooperative ed to a breakneck effort to get test scores up

    i have never seen teachers work so hard as i have since the passage of nclb

    every year a district establishes an emphasis, a sorta mission statement decided by the supt and her curriculum specialist who mobilize and promote their yearlong campaign thru back-to-work teacher rallies and more pointedly school inservices in an attempt to get educators to buy into whatever is being pushed and employ the district's recommendations in daily instruction

    i remember about 1995 when the entire emphasis of a very large school district in the south bay where i worked was all about the promotion of tolerance---that is, our number one goal for the year was to get staff and more signficantly our student bodies to respect and accept our open and still closeted gay fellows

    which is all fine and good, except the kids couldn't add fractions, didn't know where massachusetts was, and had no idea what came first, ww1 or the civil war (among many other lapses)

    after nclb all these nonsensical and brazenly political wastes of time were abandoned as we all concentrated our efforts to get math and reading test scores into the black so our funding wouldn't be taken over by hostile outside forces (like mr bobb's emergency management of the openly corrupt and incompetent detroit public schools)

    "literacy" was a push that lasted several years, it meant teaching kids how to read their textbooks---use the index, follow the graphic organizers, appreciate the purpose and value of the summary boxes...

    "literacy," in my opinion, was one outstanding district wide emphasis

    i make 80K, i work 181 5-hour days per year

    teachers start low on the pay scale and get an automatic 1200 to 1500 dollar raise every year for 12 years simply by virtue of returning to their jobs

    my highest stress (i'm in a relatively safe district) these days is mostly hyphy young ladies with "tood," they like to talk back to teacher, they like to "act out"

    they remind me of the jerry springer show

    compared to real adults and real professions with real performance demands, my job in my opinion is a piece of cake

    i sincerely believe public school teachers are overpaid and underworked, my job really is a blast

    most teachers i know over the age of 60 are sitting on estates worth close to, even over, a million dollars, we own by now our homes outright, we have fat 401k's on top of our plush strs pensions, we retire early, we spend our summers traveling, rose gardening and engaging in very personally rewarding home improvement projects

    in a high school staff of 120 it is remarkable how many experts i know on fascinating topics of esoteric diversity---a friend writes a local column on horse racing, another wrote a 1000 page history of the oakland raiders, another is trying to get on jeopardy, another is a culinary king

    these people are fascinating, they are trained physicists and historians, musicians and basketball coaches, it is extremely rewarding to work with such intersting people, many lifelong friends

    it is extremely politically incorrect to say, but it is my experience that my industry is dominated by professionals who happen to be female and i have always asserted that ours is an extremely complaining industry

    at staff meetings, the men tend to sit together and pass notes about bible history or the greatest middle linebackers the nfl ever saw while the women up front raise their hands and...

    if i hear mrs bartlett one more time usurp the time and attention of all 120 of us to regale us yet once more about some fascinating (to her) interaction she had with a special needs student in 1979, i think i'm gonna puke

    but i won't, i'm a professional so i will restrain myself

    mrs bartlett is a wonderful person, truly saintly, and one outstanding world lit teacher, the kids eagerly respond and thrive in her class, she was teacher of the year

    if i were in her class, tho, i'd gag---so much sentiment, so much getting in touch with feeling

    more power to her and her kids, whatever works

    her husband willy is slowly and tortuously dying of colon cancer, everytime i see her i remember to express my love and concern, their nephew travis was in my math class

    for a year i called this strapping young defensive end "honey" in motherly tones like he was some dear little precious

    how ya doing, honey, i'd coo, and he'd respond as if i'd called his name---he and one bored to death pre calc class found it very amusing (i did too), but you probably had to be there

    i love mrs bartlett, we have worked together for more than a decade

    she thinks she's underpaid, she makes a little more than i

    of course, she's got her clad

    americans want REAL school reform, obama is only more of the same status quo, his education stump must therefore backfire

    the guy's an idiot, independent thinkers question how he ever got into columbia (cutting classes and smoking choom, as he says), let alone harvard

    why won't he show his transcripts?

    mrs bartlett loves obama, she thinks i do too

    party on, y'all

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    I never took teacher education
    no kidding

    LOL!

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    Re: Chicago Teachers Union Gives 10-Day Strike Notice

    Quote Originally Posted by zstep18 View Post
    So, what's the incentive for a teacher in a low-income school? If there's no incentive, the types of teachers recruited at a low-income school are going to be those who are new to the profession or those who were unable to find a job anywhere else.
    Lots of times, it's all they can get. Personally, I'd never go working in the ghetto, but then again, I'm qualified to work in better places. I earned that right. They have to earn that right too. They have to prove they can succeed so they're qualified to go elsewhere. Whining about the bad conditions isn't success.
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    Re: Chicago Teachers Union Gives 10-Day Strike Notice

    Quote Originally Posted by haymarket View Post
    that is simply dumb and silly. Teachers are professionals. It is part of the job of a professional to point out systematic defects and liabilities which could prevent the successful carrying out of their duties.
    Sure, there are some systematic problems, one of which happens to be the teacher's union, and those problems absolutely, with no question, need to be addressed. That said, you don't get to whine your way out of doing the job you signed up for, then ask for a raise. These teachers' jobs are to convince the kids to learn, then to teach them. If they cannot convince them to learn, they have failed at 50% of their job right off the bat.

    It's like being a salesman. Your job is to convince people to buy your products. If you can't convince anyone, it's insane to go to your boss and demand a raise because you're not doing the job you've been hired to do. You can't expect every single person you talk to to already be convinced to buy. If that was the case, anyone could do it.
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    Re: Chicago Teachers Union Gives 10-Day Strike Notice

    Quote Originally Posted by Cephus View Post
    Sure, there are some systematic problems, one of which happens to be the teacher's union, and those problems absolutely, with no question, need to be addressed. That said, you don't get to whine your way out of doing the job you signed up for, then ask for a raise. These teachers' jobs are to convince the kids to learn, then to teach them. If they cannot convince them to learn, they have failed at 50% of their job right off the bat.

    It's like being a salesman. Your job is to convince people to buy your products. If you can't convince anyone, it's insane to go to your boss and demand a raise because you're not doing the job you've been hired to do. You can't expect every single person you talk to to already be convinced to buy. If that was the case, anyone could do it.
    very weak comparison
    if someone is shopping your product, then that is a tip off that they have a need and an inclination to purchase your item or a competitor's
    if someone is in the classroom, you can tell them all the reasons why they need to learn, but if they are not interested, no amount of cajoling is going to make learning happen
    we are negotiating about dividing a pizza and in the meantime israel is eating it
    once you're over the hill you begin to pick up speed

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