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    NYC Public Schools Ease Discipline Code For Smoking, Cursing, Cutting Class

    CBS New York Students may be catching a break if they misbehave in school. The rules surrounding suspensions in New York City schools are changing.

    The changes to the discipline code should result in far fewer suspensions, CBS 2’s Vanessa Murdock reported Wednesday.

    “Our goal is to make sure the schools are providing a safe environment for our students, but also we just don’t push students out of the classroom where they’re not learning as well,” Schools Chancellor Dennis Walcott said.

    What will be different? Well, for starters Walcott said cutting class and cursing will no longer be grounds for suspension.

    Neither will smoking, something that left a few parents bewildered.
    NYC Public Schools Change ‘Discipline Code’ To Ease Penalties For Smoking, Cursing, Other Infractions CBS New York

    hey, that's one way to keep suspensions down

    it makes sense to keep disruptive kids in school---so they can cut

    yesterday gallup reported that by a very telling plurality americans find public school the WORST place to try to educate a kid

    homeschooling was exactly 260% more popular than the locals and ps's

    obama has been stumping while his opponents convene (the tastefulness of which even politico questions), and his singular focus before half empty university crowds has been education, which, to him, means nothing more than student loans and stimulus

    ie, no reform, only more of the same

    83% of americans, according to gallup, are trapped in the public school system they don't approve of, and obama calls only for more "investment"

    investment, that is, in teachers' unions

    chris christie in tampa---we believe in teachers, they believe in teachers unions

    christie got teacher tenure reform thru trenton

    paul ryan---put the kids first, not the bosses

    if you think you built your company you're forgetting the excellent teachers (whom you pay thru your taxes) who set you up (simply by doing their jobs), and you might want to remember a little gratitude for dear old mrs woodhouse and eccentric mr edwards

    and now you can go cuss them out

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    Re: NYC Public Schools Ease Discipline Code For Smoking, Cursing, Cutting Class

    I can see the problem their trying to fix, but I don't see how this is a solution. I don't see how allowing even more disruption in the classroom is going to improve the attitude toward learning that the children formerly getting suspended have. There isn't an easy solution to the problem these schools are facing, but I don't think this policy is going to improve things.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Anagram View Post
    I can see the problem their trying to fix, but I don't see how this is a solution. I don't see how allowing even more disruption in the classroom is going to improve the attitude toward learning that the children formerly getting suspended have. There isn't an easy solution to the problem these schools are facing, but I don't think this policy is going to improve things.
    This is what we did in the Detroit Public Schools and it was a dismal failure and led to a deterirration of the schools and education. And the union fought it tooth and nail but was powerless to stop it.


    My first few years in the early 1970's were spent in a very hardcore junior high school. If a kid used the magic word that begins with the letter F out loud in class,m you simply wrote a referral to a counsellor and under the REMARKS area you wrote "the word". The kid then got suspended and every other kid in the class knew NOT to do the same.

    Then they got rid of that because of administration pressure to keep kids in school. Pretty soon the F word was a daily occurence punishable only by the classroom teacher with severe limitations as to how to do that.

    Lowering behavior standards for buttwipes only tempts good kids to act occassionally as buttwipes.
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    Re: NYC Public Schools Ease Discipline Code For Smoking, Cursing, Cutting Class

    By "suspension" I assume they mean OSS (Out of School Suspension). I'd support a revised plan that moved disruptive or truant kids to an ISS (In School Suspension) program, where they're corralled in smaller classrooms with more individual focus so that their disruptive and destructive behavior can be addressed.

    Smoking, so long as it isn't done inside the school itself, shouldn't be punishable by the school officials. Let the parents/authorities handle it (assuming it's under age smoking).
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    Quote Originally Posted by tessaesque View Post
    By "suspension" I assume they mean OSS (Out of School Suspension). I'd support a revised plan that moved disruptive or truant kids to an ISS (In School Suspension) program, where they're corralled in smaller classrooms with more individual focus so that their disruptive and destructive behavior can be addressed.

    Smoking, so long as it isn't done inside the school itself, shouldn't be punishable by the school officials. Let the parents/authorities handle it (assuming it's under age smoking).
    School budgets have been cut. Staffing has been cut. Teacher responsibilities have been increased.

    What you propose is simply not part of the austerity plan.
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    Quote Originally Posted by haymarket View Post
    School budgets have been cut. Staffing has been cut. Teacher responsibilities have been increased.

    What you propose is simply not part of the austerity plan.
    I hear excuses. ISS already exists at many schools in Texas. They place a teacher in a classroom with a stack of magazines and let the students sit around doing a crap load of nothing. It would cost almost nothing to change that system so something interactive.
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    Re: NYC Public Schools Ease Discipline Code For Smoking, Cursing, Cutting Class

    Quote Originally Posted by tessaesque View Post
    I hear excuses. ISS already exists at many schools in Texas. They place a teacher in a classroom with a stack of magazines and let the students sit around doing a crap load of nothing. It would cost almost nothing to change that system so something interactive.
    You are not hearing reality.

    Support programs cost money. Experts who can intervene and provide help cost money.

    The right can go and continue to attack public education and continue to cut budgets and continue to put more on the backs of teachers and then come back in a year and bitch about the results.

    Its called a self fulfilling prophecy of your own design.
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    Re: NYC Public Schools Ease Discipline Code For Smoking, Cursing, Cutting Class

    Quote Originally Posted by haymarket View Post
    You are not hearing reality.

    Support programs cost money. Experts who can intervene and provide help cost money.

    The right can go and continue to attack public education and continue to cut budgets and continue to put more on the backs of teachers and then come back in a year and bitch about the results.

    Its called a self fulfilling prophecy of your own design.
    Okay, then re-evaluate the standard for alternative schools, pull a trained professional out of the district's alternative program and put them on rotation in schools with defiant students.

    See, I'm proposing options for solving the problem using existing resources.

    You're doing what, exactly? Because your posts are nothing but partisan whining and finger pointing. I think students deserve educators who rise above hackery and work their asses off to educate them. I guess we disagree there.
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    Re: NYC Public Schools Ease Discipline Code For Smoking, Cursing, Cutting Class

    Quote Originally Posted by tessaesque View Post
    Okay, then re-evaluate the standard for alternative schools, pull a trained professional out of the district's alternative program and put them on rotation in schools with defiant students.

    See, I'm proposing options for solving the problem using existing resources.

    You're doing what, exactly? Because your posts are nothing but partisan whining and finger pointing. I think students deserve educators who rise above hackery and work their asses off to educate them. I guess we disagree there.
    You guys NEVER want to pony up do you? Don't you get it that the type of intervention and one on one help you want for these kids is big time expensive and involves lots of professionals that schools simply DO NOT HAVE today to place with the large number of kids who need them?

    This is NOT a matter of shuffling the cards. We need a whole lot more damn cards and they cost a whole lot more than $30k a year.

    The only thing we are different about is that I spent 33 years in the public schools educating kids and fighting for reform and imporvements.

    And you did not.

    In other words, I played the damn game every week for decades while you only read about it in Sports Illustrated.
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    Re: NYC Public Schools Ease Discipline Code For Smoking, Cursing, Cutting Class

    Quote Originally Posted by haymarket View Post
    You guys NEVER want to pony upo do you?

    the only thing we are different about is that I spent 33 years in the public schools educating kids.

    And you did not.

    In other words, I played the damn game every week for decades while you only read about it in Sports Illustrated.
    We spend more per student than almost every single country that ranks ahead of us in results.

    You want more money? Prove it's worth the investment first.

    Money to education has increased exponentially over the last several decades and results have declined.

    You want "us" to pony up? Show something worth ponying up FOR; that is, show results that don't show us losing ground to most other industrialized countries to justify the added expense.
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