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    Re: NYC Public Schools Ease Discipline Code For Smoking, Cursing, Cutting Class

    The penalty for not attending class is not being able to attend class. How does that make even a lick of sense, and how does that policy prevent class room disruption? Seriously... what kind of booze-addled whorehopping polyploid came up with that nonsense?

    Students should only be removed from the classroom for behaviors that interfere with other students' learning. Cutting class and smoking (unless they're smoking in class) don't qualify.

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    Re: NYC Public Schools Ease Discipline Code For Smoking, Cursing, Cutting Class

    Quote Originally Posted by tessaesque View Post
    We spend more per student than almost every single country that ranks ahead of us in results.

    You want more money? Prove it's worth the investment first.

    Money to education has increased exponentially over the last several decades and results have declined.

    You want "us" to pony up? Show something worth ponying up FOR; that is, show results that don't show us losing ground to most other industrialized countries to justify the added expense.
    The kind of programs that YOU proposed are not now offered in the schools. If you want them - you have to pay for them.

    Losing ground????? In what exactly? By what measure?

    Why do you on the right profess to believe in capitalism but yet when it comes to results in education money is not a factor?

    Please present the data that results have declined.
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    Re: NYC Public Schools Ease Discipline Code For Smoking, Cursing, Cutting Class

    Quote Originally Posted by haymarket View Post
    The kind of programs that YOU proposed are not now offered in the schools. If you want them - you have to pay for them.

    Losing ground????? In what exactly? By what measure?

    Why do you on the right profess to believe in capitalism but yet when it comes to results in education money is not a factor?

    Please present the data that results have declined.
    Haymarket, you know darned well money isn't the problem. Teachers continually move the target.

    It's the parents! It's the parents! It's the parents! It's not our fault! Pay us more money, and we'll teach better! Pay us more money and it won't be the parents' fault any more! We promise!!
    I've pulled stats so many times, my lil' fingers are tired. MONEY is NOT the answer!!!
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    Re: NYC Public Schools Ease Discipline Code For Smoking, Cursing, Cutting Class

    Quote Originally Posted by MaggieD View Post
    Haymarket, you know darned well money isn't the problem. Teachers continually move the target.



    I've pulled stats so many times, my lil' fingers are tired. MONEY is NOT the answer!!!
    Money indeed is part of the problem. Always has been when you talk about hiring new professionals to handle special needs kids but the budget does not allow for it.

    I agree that MONEY is not THE sole answer. But is is indeed part of the answer if used wisely or denied capriciously and unwisely simply for the sake of cutting to lower expenses.
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    Re: NYC Public Schools Ease Discipline Code For Smoking, Cursing, Cutting Class

    Quote Originally Posted by haymarket View Post
    Money indeed is part of the problem. Always has been when you talk about hiring new professionals to handle special needs kids but the budget does not allow for it.

    I agree that MONEY is not THE sole answer. But is is indeed part of the answer if used wisely or denied capriciously and unwisely simply for the sake of cutting to lower expenses.
    Let me get this straight. Now the latest excuse for needing more money is to handle special needs kids. Always an answer. So let me just put this in context: The biggest reason that only 57% of students in Chicago Public Schools graduate is that there's not enough money for special needs kids. *Shakes Head*

    Haymarket, please. You and I both know that is not true.

    Edit for link: John Kass: CPS teachers — work a few more minutes - Chicago Tribune

    I especially like this quote from the article, by the way:

    ...treating children as political cash cows has got to stop.
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    Re: NYC Public Schools Ease Discipline Code For Smoking, Cursing, Cutting Class

    Quote Originally Posted by MaggieD View Post
    Let me get this straight. Now the latest excuse for needing more money is to handle special needs kids. Always an answer. So let me just put this in context: The biggest reason that only 57% of students in Chicago Public Schools graduate is that there's not enough money for special needs kids. *Shakes Head*

    Haymarket, please. You and I both know that is not true.

    Edit for link: John Kass: CPS teachers — work a few more minutes - Chicago Tribune
    So do we both know is true Maggie?
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