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    Armed Bystander Stops Stabbing Outside School

    San Antonio: A woman is in critical condition after she was stabbed outside her child's school Tuesday morning.

    The attack happened around 10:00 a.m. Tuesday outside the Bonham Academy on St. Mary's Street. Teresa Barron, 38, had just dropped off her child at the school when the child's father showed up, and the two got into an argument. The child's father, 38-year-old Roberto Barron allegedly then stabbed the woman several times in the upper body and neck area.

    Police say a bystander who happened to be a concealed handgun license holder pulled his weapon and ordered Barron to drop the knife. Barron surrendered and was taken into custody by the bystander and a school district officer.
    Armed bystander stops stabbing outside school|WOAI: San Antonio News

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    the splc (southern poverty law center) has labeled perkins' frc a hate group because of its bible-based views on marriage and homosexuality, which, of course, is in no way similar to political interest groups calling gabby giffords a target in the next upcoming congressional race for a house district

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    depends on whose wife is getting gored, it appears

    as of now, obama is intimidated against going after guns---he craves the flexibility a second term would give him

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    Re: Armed Bystander Stops Stabbing Outside School

    Good thing the armed bystander isn't neighborhood watch because it is apparently a criminal offense for neighborhood watch members to have firearms.

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    Re: Armed Bystander Stops Stabbing Outside School

    This is just one instance when the armed man had the necessary experience and control of his weapon to use it to good effect. How does this one instance measure in comparison to the many reported cases of people not using their weapons for good reasons?

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    Re: Armed Bystander Stops Stabbing Outside School

    Quote Originally Posted by Douglas_Smith View Post
    This is just one instance when the armed man had the necessary experience and control of his weapon to use it to good effect. How does this one instance measure in comparison to the many reported cases of people not using their weapons for good reasons?


    You've got it backwards. There are innumerable instances of armed citizens stopping crime, and few examples of CCW'ers acting badly.

    Most don't make the national media though... obviously..

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    Quote Originally Posted by Goshin View Post
    You've got it backwards. There are innumerable instances of armed citizens stopping crime, and few examples of CCW'ers acting badly.

    Most don't make the national media though... obviously..
    There are a million permit holders in Florida. Gun crimes by those folks is virtually unheard of.

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    Re: Armed Bystander Stops Stabbing Outside School

    Quote Originally Posted by Douglas_Smith View Post
    This is just one instance when the armed man had the necessary experience and control of his weapon to use it to good effect. How does this one instance measure in comparison to the many reported cases of people not using their weapons for good reasons?
    Depends on whose statistics you believe. Estimates range from 750,000 to 2.5 million times per year as the number of times firearms are used to prevent violent crimes. About 16,000 people a year die by gun violence (Chicago alone is working to up that figure this year). The instances where they are used to prevent crimes are vastly under-reported. No news there...move along.

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    As good as a job our police do they can't be everywhere.This is why citizens should be armed and should be encouraged to arm themselves.
    "A nation can survive its fools, and even the ambitious. But it cannot survive treason from within. An enemy at the gates is less formidable, for he is known and carries his banner openly. But the traitor moves amongst those within the gate freely, his sly whispers rustling through all the alleys, heard in the very halls of government itself. For the traitor appears not a traitor; he speaks in accents familiar to his victims, and he wears their face and their arguments, he appeals to the baseness that lies deep in the hearts of all men. He rots the soul of a nation, he works secretly and unknown in the night to undermine the pillars of the city, he infects the body politic so that it can no longer resist. A murder is less to fear"

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    Re: Armed Bystander Stops Stabbing Outside School

    Quote Originally Posted by jamesrage View Post
    As good as a job our police do they can't be everywhere.This is why citizens should be armed and should be encouraged to arm themselves.
    I'm not saying you're necessarily wrong but I will point out one thing: The man with the knife is a citizen too.

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    Re: Armed Bystander Stops Stabbing Outside School

    Quote Originally Posted by HonestJoe View Post
    I'm not saying you're necessarily wrong but I will point out one thing: The man with the knife is a citizen too.
    And had the woman been armed the title of the thread most likely been "Woman fends off would be attacker" or "Woman shoots attacker" instead of "Armed Bystander Stops Stabbing Outside School".
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    "A nation can survive its fools, and even the ambitious. But it cannot survive treason from within. An enemy at the gates is less formidable, for he is known and carries his banner openly. But the traitor moves amongst those within the gate freely, his sly whispers rustling through all the alleys, heard in the very halls of government itself. For the traitor appears not a traitor; he speaks in accents familiar to his victims, and he wears their face and their arguments, he appeals to the baseness that lies deep in the hearts of all men. He rots the soul of a nation, he works secretly and unknown in the night to undermine the pillars of the city, he infects the body politic so that it can no longer resist. A murder is less to fear"

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    Re: Armed Bystander Stops Stabbing Outside School

    Quote Originally Posted by jamesrage View Post
    And had the woman been armed the title of the thread most likely been "Woman fends off would be attacker" or "Woman shoots attacker" instead of "Armed Bystander Stops Stabbing Outside School".
    I'm not convinced, given that the attacker clearly had it in his deranged mind to cause her harm while all she would have had on her mind would have been getting her kids to school. If he had a gun, he could have shot her (and who knows who else) before she'd even realised what he was doing.

    That isn't really my point though. Regardless of the weapons involved, these kind of situations are unpredictable and always on a narrow line between lucky escape or massive disaster. The only thing I was actually pointing out was that if you promote the principal of all citizens being routinely armed, that means all citizens can be routinely armed. It may well turn out that there are a lot more people we would agree probably shouldn't be walking around with a deadly weapon that you might initially realise.

    How we practically deal with these moral and legal contradictions and conflicts is a different matter but you can only properly address that from a position of honest realism, not wishful thinking and best case scenarios.

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