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    Re: Federal court rejects Texas voter ID law

    Quote Originally Posted by danarhea View Post
    So all black people are poor because they have "bling"? Nonsense indeed.
    Well it was mostly tongue and cheek..

    However, ever been to the wlefare office? Lot's of bling going on down there.

    Point is this, in NY state we all had to get "enhanced" drivers licenses from the state at a cost of $65.00 to cross the border. Now, nothing special was done to verify anything about our status or anything, all we had to do was fill out a form and hand it to the DMV dude and boom we got a new enhanced DL. Maybe that should have been free as well?

    I say the cost of getting ID is marginal, and I'm not against the tax payer picking up the dime for the real hardcore poor, but damn, Dan, come on, we must at some time, and as citizens begin to feel as though some things are our duty to cover the costs of, shouldn't we? If we want a safe and fair voting system, shouldn't we as citizens pick up the tab. We all (well less a few hardcore liberals and the ACLU) recognize that our current system for registering votes is flawed, so I believe that we have a duty to pay for our own ID's if we want to maintain the integrity of the system.

    Like I said for the few and I mean very few people that truly can't afford it I'm sure we can accomodate, but we have to stop this entitlement culture somewhere?


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    Re: Federal court rejects Texas voter ID law

    Quote Originally Posted by Paschendale View Post
    SS cards aren't free either. Neither is transportation to the DMV during operating hours, when a poor voter would otherwise be working and can't get away. Getting to the poll to vote, on the other hand, is usually much easier, since it is often held at local schools that are frequently within walking distance or accessible by already existing public transit. Or even by schoolbuses.
    SS cards are free. I just did mine 6 months ago.

    So now we're getting into transportation too? Sorry, thats just a rediculous friggin argument. They get to work, don't they? No one can give them a lift? Instead of spending milllions of dollars fighting these voter ID laws by various voter advocate groups, why not provide transportation to those that need to get to the DMV to get an idea? Why aren't these people advocating helping them comply with the law instead of opening up the possiblity that voter fraud can easily occur.

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    Re: Federal court rejects Texas voter ID law

    Directly from the ruling:

    "In reaching this conclusion, we emphasize the narrowness of this opinion. Specifically,
    we have decided nothing more than that, in this particular litigation and on this particular record, Texas has failed to demonstrate that its particular voter ID law lacks retrogressive effect. Nothing in this opinion remotely suggests that section 5 bars all covered jurisdictions from implementing photo ID laws. To the contrary, under our reasoning today, such laws might well be precleared if they ensure (1) that all prospective voters can easily obtain free photo ID, and (2) that any underlying documents required to obtain that ID are truly free of charge."

    Completely agree with the highlighted conditions.
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    Re: Federal court rejects Texas voter ID law

    Quote Originally Posted by Hicup View Post
    Well it was mostly tongue and cheek..

    However, ever been to the wlefare office? Lot's of bling going on down there.

    Point is this, in NY state we all had to get "enhanced" drivers licenses from the state at a cost of $65.00 to cross the border. Now, nothing special was done to verify anything about our status or anything, all we had to do was fill out a form and hand it to the DMV dude and boom we got a new enhanced DL. Maybe that should have been free as well?

    I say the cost of getting ID is marginal, and I'm not against the tax payer picking up the dime for the real hardcore poor, but damn, Dan, come on, we must at some time, and as citizens begin to feel as though some things are our duty to cover the costs of, shouldn't we? If we want a safe and fair voting system, shouldn't we as citizens pick up the tab. We all (well less a few hardcore liberals and the ACLU) recognize that our current system for registering votes is flawed, so I believe that we have a duty to pay for our own ID's if we want to maintain the integrity of the system.

    Like I said for the few and I mean very few people that truly can't afford it I'm sure we can accomodate, but we have to stop this entitlement culture somewhere?


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    Re: Federal court rejects Texas voter ID law

    Another thing to consider is the actual availability of these services. Many areas that happen to be Democrat districts only have the appropriate office open ONE day per month. Coincidentally these are all areas controlled by Republican legislatures. One town was only open 5 days a year.

    Yeah, keep pretending this is about voter fraud.

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    Re: Federal court rejects Texas voter ID law

    Quote Originally Posted by danarhea View Post
    The cost is marginal to some, but prohibitive to the poor, and therefore constitutes a poll tax, which is unconstitutional.
    Like I said I don't see why we can't accomodate those truly in need.

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    Re: Federal court rejects Texas voter ID law

    Quote Originally Posted by Hicup View Post
    Well it was mostly tongue and cheek..

    However, ever been to the wlefare office? Lot's of bling going on down there.

    Point is this, in NY state we all had to get "enhanced" drivers licenses from the state at a cost of $65.00 to cross the border. Now, nothing special was done to verify anything about our status or anything, all we had to do was fill out a form and hand it to the DMV dude and boom we got a new enhanced DL. Maybe that should have been free as well?

    I say the cost of getting ID is marginal, and I'm not against the tax payer picking up the dime for the real hardcore poor, but damn, Dan, come on, we must at some time, and as citizens begin to feel as though some things are our duty to cover the costs of, shouldn't we? If we want a safe and fair voting system, shouldn't we as citizens pick up the tab. We all (well less a few hardcore liberals and the ACLU) recognize that our current system for registering votes is flawed, so I believe that we have a duty to pay for our own ID's if we want to maintain the integrity of the system.

    Like I said for the few and I mean very few people that truly can't afford it I'm sure we can accomodate, but we have to stop this entitlement culture somewhere?
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    The part in bold gets you into some trouble. Voting isn't an entitlement, it's a fundamental right under the Constitution. Does this mean that one is entitled to a free ID? Of course not, but it does mean that if you require an ID to vote, that ID damn well better be free, or else you are effectively charging people to vote, which is (as has been pointed out) unconstitutional.

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    Re: Federal court rejects Texas voter ID law

    Quote Originally Posted by Hicup View Post
    Like I said for the few and I mean very few people that truly can't afford it I'm sure we can accomodate, but we have to stop this entitlement culture somewhere?
    Still, in my opinion, voting is an essential right which should require the least amount of restrictions possible. With the right to vote being so important in society, I look at any restrictions to voting with great suspicion.

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    Re: Federal court rejects Texas voter ID law

    This ruling has absolutely nothing to do with the "cost" of a photo ID and EVERYTHING to do with laying the groundwork for illegals to vote in elections. It is nothing more than a bribe for the Hispanic vote.

    What must life be like to completely lack integrity.

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    Re: Federal court rejects Texas voter ID law

    Quote Originally Posted by Erod View Post
    This ruling has absolutely nothing to do with the "cost" of a photo ID and EVERYTHING to do with laying the groundwork for illegals to vote in elections. It is nothing more than a bribe for the Hispanic vote.
    Right. Because federal judges are really into getting illegal aliens to vote. It's very important to them.

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