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    Re: GM Suspending Chevy Volt Output Due To Slow Sales

    Quote Originally Posted by LaMidRighter View Post
    Yep, you are right here. The only way those numbers work are under constant driving scenarios such as traveling jobs and outside sales, delivery etc. Even then that wear and tear has a point where vehicles will have to be replaced sooner than the daily commuter vehicles and grocery getters so even then heavy travel sees no benefit. I don't think Lahood realizes that the physics and economics of these regulations don't work, unfortunately that man cannot be replaced by a simple vote and it will require an administration shift and new legislation.

    Lahood is trying to sell those standards....the current cafe standard is 34.5 that was raised from 27.5 and it caused an increase in auto prices...now they want to raise it a FULL 20mpg...I dont know if the car companies could even manage that as an average...
    Do you realize how many very popular vehicles cant get near that mileage for example Honda Crv which gets 27 and thats a 4cyl small suv ...
    I dont know if this is even doable at this point

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    Re: GM Suspending Chevy Volt Output Due To Slow Sales

    Quote Originally Posted by lpast View Post
    Lahood is trying to sell those standards....the current cafe standard is 34.5 that was raised from 27.5 and it caused an increase in auto prices...now they want to raise it a FULL 20mpg...I dont know if the car companies could even manage that as an average...
    Do you realize how many very popular vehicles cant get near that mileage for example Honda Crv which gets 27 and thats a 4cyl small suv ...
    I dont know if this is even doable at this point
    No worries. I guarantee you this is just pre-election hype.

    If Obama wins, he will probably quietly back off from that number next year.

    And if Romney wins, he'll probably cancel it altogether.

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    Re: GM Suspending Chevy Volt Output Due To Slow Sales

    Quote Originally Posted by KevinKohler View Post
    Personally, I LIKE economy cars. They're simple, and easy to fix, usually.
    Got to disagree heavily here. More mileage means more sensors, sensors show falsely as a problem all the time to the computer because something else in the system broke. As well to shave weight engineers tend to make less engine bay and squeeze everything they can into that limited room, so to fix a starter, alternator, sensor, etc. you have to pull unrelated parts off just to get to the initial problem, then put the whole thing back together. Not only that economy cars are usually FWD which is a horrible configuration for longevity, CV joints and struts LOVE to break, and to fix that see problem 1. If anything economy cars are a huge pain in the ass.

    They have small motors that generate little torque, which results in them being longer lasting. Less power = less breakage. (Unless it's an Alfa Romeo) I like that they have non electronic everything. Electric windows? Just something to break on you, by time you reach 150K miles. Crank windows don't break...and IF they do, they are cheap and easy to fix. Just gears. No electric motor, no wiring, no fuses, nothing. Anti lock breaks? Hate em. Learn to drive your car. Automatic tranny? Where's the fun in that. Give me a snappy five speed, and even a Fit is a blast to drive.
    Actually, under heavy driving conditions such as climbing and merging that little motor has to work twice as hard if not more, not only do you lose some of the initial MPG advantage during that process but harder work takes a toll, I look at it this way, gentle acceleration in a V8 requires less work so not only is it smoother for the operator but that big engine is taking less of a beating than that smaller setup, for instance start and stop traffic will kill any engine, but that economy car is taking a tremendous beating.

    I keep going back to it, because, frankly, it was one of the BEST cars I have ever owned, bar non. My old Civic HX. Got GREAT gas mileage, never broke down, never gave me ANY problems, and the few I DID have, were relatively easy to fix. I probably should not have sold it, but I needed something with 4 doors, instead of 2.
    Hondas are tough little vehicles, no argument there, but you should see what people do to kill those cars with engine mods. A four banger is great for mileage, a Honda four banger is great for longevity, not so much for taking larger motor sportscars.
    Neither side in an argument can find the truth when both make an absolute claim on it.

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    Re: GM Suspending Chevy Volt Output Due To Slow Sales

    Quote Originally Posted by lpast View Post
    Lahood is trying to sell those standards....the current cafe standard is 34.5 that was raised from 27.5 and it caused an increase in auto prices...now they want to raise it a FULL 20mpg...I dont know if the car companies could even manage that as an average...
    Do you realize how many very popular vehicles cant get near that mileage for example Honda Crv which gets 27 and thats a 4cyl small suv ...
    I dont know if this is even doable at this point
    Physics my friend, what they are asking a fuel fed vehicle to do versus it's weight ratio is silly. It will take herculean tech that I don't even think exists right now and consumers will be forced to sacrifice quality. I am concerned about that issuance.
    Neither side in an argument can find the truth when both make an absolute claim on it.

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    Re: GM Suspending Chevy Volt Output Due To Slow Sales

    Quote Originally Posted by DA60 View Post
    No worries. I guarantee you this is just pre-election hype.

    If Obama wins, he will probably quietly back off from that number next year.

    And if Romney wins, he'll probably cancel it altogether.

    What it is...is backdoor pressure to build more electrics and hybrids and make them scrap vehicles they dont like...Im opposed to this myself..

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    Re: GM Suspending Chevy Volt Output Due To Slow Sales

    Quote Originally Posted by lpast View Post
    What it is...is backdoor pressure to build more electrics and hybrids and make them scrap vehicles they dont like...Im opposed to this myself..
    I say dump CAFE and let consumers/the market decide what America's average fuel economy should be.

    I am tired of corrupt politician's treating 'We The People' like 'We The Idiots'.

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    Re: GM Suspending Chevy Volt Output Due To Slow Sales

    Quote Originally Posted by DA60 View Post
    I say dump CAFE and let consumers/the market decide what America's average fuel economy should be.

    I am tired of corrupt politician's treating 'We The People' like 'We The Idiots'.
    The end of the 70s came to be known by Japanese import dominance because they were misers where gas was concerned, even with U.S. CAFE standards people were choosing the superior foreign car mileage. The market is perfectly capable of determining what should and should not be produced.
    Neither side in an argument can find the truth when both make an absolute claim on it.

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    Re: GM Suspending Chevy Volt Output Due To Slow Sales

    Quote Originally Posted by DA60 View Post
    I say dump CAFE and let consumers/the market decide what America's average fuel economy should be.

    I am tired of corrupt politician's treating 'We The People' like 'We The Idiots'.
    Unfortunately We the People are idiots. We bitch and moan about gas prices, and the second prices drop everyone runs out and buys a brontosaurus-sized SUV. Then prices go back up and they bitch and moan about how much they're paying for a fill up.

    What we should do is drop oil subsidies and raise the gas tax so it actually covers the cost of highway construction and maintenance. When gas is over $5 a gallon the CAFE standards will take care of themselves.
    "The necessaries of life occasion the great expense of the poor. They find it difficult to get food, and the greater part of their little revenue is spent in getting it. The luxuries and vanities of life occasion the principal expense of the rich, and a magnificent house embellishes and sets off to the best advantage all the other luxuries and vanities which they possess. ... It is not very unreasonable that the rich should contribute to the public expense, not only in proportion to their revenue, but something more than in that proportion."

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    Re: GM Suspending Chevy Volt Output Due To Slow Sales

    Quote Originally Posted by AdamT View Post
    Unfortunately We the People are idiots. We bitch and moan about gas prices, and the second prices drop everyone runs out and buys a brontosaurus-sized SUV. Then prices go back up and they bitch and moan about how much they're paying for a fill up.

    What we should do is drop oil subsidies and raise the gas tax so it actually covers the cost of highway construction and maintenance. When gas is over $5 a gallon the CAFE standards will take care of themselves.
    I would suggest that what we should do is drop all energy subsidies, and let the market take care of the choices. That includes oil, alternative energy, and any other sources. Perhaps if the alternates were forced to step back and take a look at the market instead of assuming that the government will make up the shortfall, energy prices overall would drop.

    Next we remove most of the deterrents to using our own energy sources. As of now, many of the US sources are off limits. It is entirely possible that the goal here is not to reduce energy prices, but to bring fossil fuel prices up to the level of the alternative sources.

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    Re: GM Suspending Chevy Volt Output Due To Slow Sales

    Quote Originally Posted by AdamT View Post
    Unfortunately We the People are idiots.
    We bitch and moan about gas prices, and the second prices drop everyone runs out and buys a brontosaurus-sized SUV. Then prices go back up and they bitch and moan about how much they're paying for a fill up.

    What we should do is drop oil subsidies and raise the gas tax so it actually covers the cost of highway construction and maintenance. When gas is over $5 a gallon the CAFE standards will take care of themselves.
    Spoken like a true liberal, people are to stupid to make their own decision on what to drive. A soccer mom that wants to haul her kids and their friends around chooses a car that is big enough that she doesn't have to stack them in the back seat like cord wood and you call her an idiot, nice.

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