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    Re: GM Suspending Chevy Volt Output Due To Slow Sales

    Quote Originally Posted by LaMidRighter View Post
    First rule of sales, don't lie. Calling the Volt an electric was an outright lie and I would say consumers reacted in kind to that, secondly, hybrids have their market, but the Prius isn't the star that people say it is, though it isn't a bust for Toyota either. I'm not a fan of hybrids because their maintenence costs are a gigantic timebomb, in ten years when the battery goes the car is totaled because that's 10K, then there's the brake system that has a friction recharge, because of the extra sensors and gear that can't be cheap. etc.
    Stock tip of the day. Invest in container ships. In a few years, hybrids currently on the market will be toast, and the same greenies that insisted we needed them, will now be insisting that the wrecks cannot be recycled in the US to environmental issues. The batteries brakes, etc will be shipped to China and other third world countries for disposal.

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    Re: GM Suspending Chevy Volt Output Due To Slow Sales

    Quote Originally Posted by jimbo View Post
    Stock tip of the day. Invest in container ships. In a few years, hybrids currently on the market will be toast, and the same greenies that insisted we needed them, will now be insisting that the wrecks cannot be recycled in the US to environmental issues. The batteries brakes, etc will be shipped to China and other third world countries for disposal.
    I tend to think so. General mechanics as a rule won't touch hybrids due to a combination of liability and concern for their own health, they know something's up.
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    Re: GM Suspending Chevy Volt Output Due To Slow Sales

    Quote Originally Posted by lpast View Post
    If you drive over 15k a year the prius is a better value than the new civic...I would think anyway
    When we bought our Cruze, people asked us why we didn't get the Eco, the hybrid version. For one thing, it costs more than the top of the line version, the LTZ, which we got, fully stocked, with every option available. The Eco is based on the lowest-end model, the 1LT with very few options. Secondly, in our first year of ownership, we drove less than 6k miles. We still haven't done 8k miles. The mileage difference between the top-of-the-line LTZ and the bare-bottom Eco is only 4 MPG.

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    Re: GM Suspending Chevy Volt Output Due To Slow Sales

    Remember when cell phones first came out?


    They were pretty expensive, right?

    Remember when the Iphone was 600 bucks?
    Quote Originally Posted by calamity View Post
    Reports indicate that everyone knew he was hauling a bunch of guns up there. But, since you brought it up, there's something which should be illegal: guns that breakdown.

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    Re: GM Suspending Chevy Volt Output Due To Slow Sales

    Quote Originally Posted by KevinKohler View Post
    Remember when cell phones first came out?


    They were pretty expensive, right?

    Remember when the Iphone was 600 bucks?

    Ok but whats your point kevin...that the volt will get cheaper ?

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    Re: GM Suspending Chevy Volt Output Due To Slow Sales

    Quote Originally Posted by jimbo View Post
    Your numbers are skewed. The Ford loyalty number of 46% is the number of current Ford owners who would repurchase a Ford. The hybrid number of 25% is the number of other than Prius owners that would repurchase a hybrid of any make. A direct comparison would be Ford owners who would not repurchase a gasoline powered vehicle.

    The sports car analagy is a different animal. There is always a market for a niche item, be it a high grade kitchen appliance or a a vehicle. As long as the item can be produced in a sufficient quantity and with a price agreeable to the typical consumer of that vehicle, and all this can be done at without subsidies, than the vehicle will succeed. The direct comparison here is sports car vs sports car, and some will fail, some will succeed.
    What this shows us is that people are not particularly loyal to any car type. So you may buy an SUV one time, then want change, so you buy a sports car, then want another change, and you buy a hybrid, then want another change, ad infinitum. The numbers I show indicate buyers are fickle. They change their mind at the same time they change their cars. The 35% retention rate for hybrids is actually better than sports cars which shows greater loyalty. This point about retention is an empty point. It only works in a vacuum. When compared with other cars it absolutely loses relevance.
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    Re: GM Suspending Chevy Volt Output Due To Slow Sales

    Quote Originally Posted by lpast View Post
    Ok but whats your point kevin...that the volt will get cheaper ?
    Not just the Volt, all hybrids will get cheaper. Either that, or it's a sort of fad, no one will buy them, and the concept itself will die out.

    Or better yet, get replaced by the next better thing.


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    Quote Originally Posted by calamity View Post
    Reports indicate that everyone knew he was hauling a bunch of guns up there. But, since you brought it up, there's something which should be illegal: guns that breakdown.

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    Re: GM Suspending Chevy Volt Output Due To Slow Sales

    Quote Originally Posted by EagleAye View Post
    What this shows us is that people are not particularly loyal to any car type. So you may buy an SUV one time, then want change, so you buy a sports car, then want another change, and you buy a hybrid, then want another change, ad infinitum. The numbers I show indicate buyers are fickle. They change their mind at the same time they change their cars. The 35% retention rate for hybrids is actually better than sports cars which shows greater loyalty. This point about retention is an empty point. It only works in a vacuum. When compared with other cars it absolutely loses relevance.

    I agree auto buying goes in trends...Dealers couldnt keep minivans on the lots..there were waiting lists for them in the 90s now they sell very very few... Suvs flew off lots for years...ford explorers made ford rich in the 90s they sold so many...now the trend is changing....there will always be a hot item in the auto industry and then theres their constants...like pickup trucks..
    I think it will be good while before hybrids and electrics really grab the mass's it takes along time to ween americans off the stuff they love

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    Re: GM Suspending Chevy Volt Output Due To Slow Sales

    What I'm saying is, how many of you would buy a hybrid, of any brand, if they cost, say, 16K?
    Quote Originally Posted by calamity View Post
    Reports indicate that everyone knew he was hauling a bunch of guns up there. But, since you brought it up, there's something which should be illegal: guns that breakdown.

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    Re: GM Suspending Chevy Volt Output Due To Slow Sales

    Quote Originally Posted by KevinKohler View Post
    Remember when cell phones first came out?


    They were pretty expensive, right?

    Remember when the Iphone was 600 bucks?
    Cell phones and smart phones did something other technology didn't do, and had a wider reaching market. Hybrids do the same thing other vehicles do, but are terrible to drive and far more expensive to purchase and maintain. Hybrids are a transitional technology. a compromise, and they do it terribly.
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