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    Re: GM Suspending Chevy Volt Output Due To Slow Sales

    Quote Originally Posted by Lord Tammerlain View Post
    If 50% are buying Ford because Ford was not bailed out, it speaks poorly for Ford

    If people are only buying your product because they dont want your competitors for political reasons, your product must not be very good
    Then again if both offer good cars, and I don't think anyone can say that GM's offerings are any better, then it really doesn't make any kind of statement. My family has been buying Ford products for years and have no complaints. It is not much of the compromise.
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    Re: GM Suspending Chevy Volt Output Due To Slow Sales

    Quote Originally Posted by The Prof View Post
    GM suspending Chevrolet Volt output due to slow sales

    the obamamobile, what a pig

    volt stopped production for 5 weeks in march, as well

    no wonder govt motors yesterday declared that it didn't want to be seen with him

    GM shuns political poster child role, bans candidate visits until after Election Day | General Motors news | Detroit Free Press | freep.com

    who thinks gm is telling romney to stay away?

    or ryan?

    because, afterall, as the vp for global public affairs put it yesterday---even republicans and independents buy cars

    what good is it if 50% of consumers decide for ford simply because of the politics, asks mr ewanik

    auto rescue, anyone?
    Sixty four billion dollars was a lot to pay to have yet another plug in hybrid on the market and to continue the plush benefits and salaries for union members.

    The Volt isn't a bad car, but no one to speak of is buying any of the hybrids or plug in hybrids. They still represent less than 3% of the market, and that's divided up between about 36 different hybrid models.

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    Re: GM Suspending Chevy Volt Output Due To Slow Sales

    Quote Originally Posted by EagleAye View Post
    Also from the article in the OP...
    Only because the US government is buying these pieces of crap with our tax dollars.

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    Re: GM Suspending Chevy Volt Output Due To Slow Sales

    Quote Originally Posted by LowDown View Post
    Sixty four billion dollars was a lot to pay to have yet another plug in hybrid on the market and to continue the plush benefits and salaries for union members.

    The Volt isn't a bad car, but no one to speak of is buying any of the hybrids or plug in hybrids. They still represent less than 3% of the market, and that's divided up between about 36 different hybrid models.
    Additionally:

    'A study by a Michigan-based research firm Polk found that only 35 percent of hybrid-owners choose to purchase another hybrid. Even worse, if you remove the Toyota Prius, the most popular hybrid from the mix, commitment to hybrids drops to 25 percent. This means that a whopping 75 percent of non-Prius hybrid customers chose to ditch the hybrid and this is for the greenest of green consumers, mind you.'

    More People Are Buying Hybrid Cars. So Why Won't They Stick With Them? - Forbes


    Not even most hybrid owners like hybrids (apparently).

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    Re: GM Suspending Chevy Volt Output Due To Slow Sales

    Quote Originally Posted by LowDown View Post
    The Volt isn't a bad car, but no one to speak of is buying any of the hybrids or plug in hybrids. They still represent less than 3% of the market, and that's divided up between about 36 different hybrid models.
    Actually it's up to 3.64% of the market and rising pretty quickly.

    Hybrid and electric cars see record sales in March - Boston.com

    The trend will only speed up as gas prices and CAFE standards continue to rise.
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    Re: GM Suspending Chevy Volt Output Due To Slow Sales

    "GM says the fleet sales were to corporate buyers and not to rental companies. The number of Volts sold to townships receiving federal grants remains unknown. The corporate sales claim makes sense as crony company, General Electric, starts to make good on its promise to buy thousands of Volts. Of course, GE benefits by selling charging stations for the vehicles."

    "an interesting statistic was revealed on GM's sales conference call. Government purchases of GM vehicles rose 32% from last year."

    Chevy Volt Fleet Sales Rise, Government GM Purchases Increase

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    Re: GM Suspending Chevy Volt Output Due To Slow Sales

    Quote Originally Posted by DA60 View Post
    Additionally:

    'A study by a Michigan-based research firm Polk found that only 35 percent of hybrid-owners choose to purchase another hybrid. Even worse, if you remove the Toyota Prius, the most popular hybrid from the mix, commitment to hybrids drops to 25 percent. This means that a whopping 75 percent of non-Prius hybrid customers chose to ditch the hybrid – and this is for the greenest of green consumers, mind you.'

    More People Are Buying Hybrid Cars. So Why Won't They Stick With Them? - Forbes

    Not even most hybrid owners like hybrids (apparently).
    That hardly tells us anything. In 2012, Ford had the most loyal of ALL car buyers of ANY kind of car at 46% retention.
    Ford may be reporting impressive, but lower earnings today because of trouble in Europe, but here's some good news for the Blue Oval: Seven out of the 10 models that engender the most brand loyalty in the U.S. are Fords, new research from Experian Automotive said.
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    Overall, Ford owners were 46% loyal to the brand. Toyota was second as an overall brand.
    Ford has 7 of 10 models tops for owner loyalty

    That's the top. The very pinnacle of loyalty in car buyers. At the bottom in 2011, things were much worse.
    The least brand-loyal were found to sports car owners, with just 21 percent buying another equally racy model, and those driving mid-range SUVs – a segment that been steadily losing traction to car-based crossovers in recent years – at 21 percent.
    Cars With The Most Brand-Loyal Buyers - Forbes

    So if we apply your logic, then auto makers should probably stop building sports cars, right? I mean, they commonly only seat two (not 5), and cost waaay more than 40K. Add to it, loyalty for sports cars is very low. Apparently, sports cars are duds, right?
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    Re: GM Suspending Chevy Volt Output Due To Slow Sales

    Quote Originally Posted by EagleAye View Post
    That hardly tells us anything. In 2012, Ford had the most loyal of ALL car buyers of ANY kind of car at 46% retention.

    Ford has 7 of 10 models tops for owner loyalty

    That's the top. The very pinnacle of loyalty in car buyers. At the bottom in 2011, things were much worse.

    Cars With The Most Brand-Loyal Buyers - Forbes

    So if we apply your logic, then auto makers should probably stop building sports cars, right? I mean, they commonly only seat two (not 5), and cost waaay more than 40K. Add to it, loyalty for sports cars is very low. Apparently, sports cars are duds, right?
    Your numbers are skewed. The Ford loyalty number of 46% is the number of current Ford owners who would repurchase a Ford. The hybrid number of 25% is the number of other than Prius owners that would repurchase a hybrid of any make. A direct comparison would be Ford owners who would not repurchase a gasoline powered vehicle.

    The sports car analagy is a different animal. There is always a market for a niche item, be it a high grade kitchen appliance or a a vehicle. As long as the item can be produced in a sufficient quantity and with a price agreeable to the typical consumer of that vehicle, and all this can be done at without subsidies, than the vehicle will succeed. The direct comparison here is sports car vs sports car, and some will fail, some will succeed.

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    Re: GM Suspending Chevy Volt Output Due To Slow Sales

    Quote Originally Posted by EagleAye View Post
    That hardly tells us anything.
    It tells us that most hybrid owners (in this survey) don't like hybrids.

    Which was my point.

    Almost 2/3'rd's of hybrid owners in this survey are not just saying they won't purchase the same hybrid they own again...they are saying they won't purchase ANY hybrid again.

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    Re: GM Suspending Chevy Volt Output Due To Slow Sales

    Quote Originally Posted by lpast View Post
    For all the reasons you mentioned is why GM made the volt a hybrid and not a full electric. Full electrics CANT do what you want them to do now, no matter who builds them..until they can increase battery life and distance and decrease the weight. They have made big strides in batteries and they are working feverishly to improve battery power and decrease the weight and charge times. Until they get that technology full electric cars are going nowhere and hybrids will be king.

    To prove that point the Prius is a HUGELY popular car and outsells most cars in its class...its a hybrid but you can buy a version for 20k...if the volt was under 25k it may very well have been somewhat of a success...it was just too damn expensive for the average american. It was in lexus country
    First rule of sales, don't lie. Calling the Volt an electric was an outright lie and I would say consumers reacted in kind to that, secondly, hybrids have their market, but the Prius isn't the star that people say it is, though it isn't a bust for Toyota either. I'm not a fan of hybrids because their maintenence costs are a gigantic timebomb, in ten years when the battery goes the car is totaled because that's 10K, then there's the brake system that has a friction recharge, because of the extra sensors and gear that can't be cheap. etc.
    Neither side in an argument can find the truth when both make an absolute claim on it.

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