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    Re: GM Suspending Chevy Volt Output Due To Slow Sales

    Quote Originally Posted by Phys251 View Post
    Macroeconomics and microeconomics do not often share the same needs. Remember that.
    At the level of the individual buyer, it's all microeconomics.

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    Re: GM Suspending Chevy Volt Output Due To Slow Sales

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    At the level of the individual buyer, it's all microeconomics.
    This is what can happen when it's all about microeconomics:

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    Re: GM Suspending Chevy Volt Output Due To Slow Sales

    Quote Originally Posted by Phys251 View Post
    This is what can happen when it's all about microeconomics:

    Actually, my guess is this is more what fractional reserve banking is all about.

    But, I digress...
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    Re: GM Suspending Chevy Volt Output Due To Slow Sales

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    I'll tell you what I tell everybody else, if a Volt or an EV isn't right for you, don't buy one. The silence from your wallet will tell the auto industry they need to improve the product. And you won't go broke driving a conventional vehicle, now.
    That's perfectly fine, and you have the right attitude about it, much like I don't give people who choose to drive hybrids or electrics any crap but do state the drawbacks. Then again I readily admit that fuel costs are a hinderance at times for conventional.
    That's hyperbole and everybody knows it.
    Not really, it isn't every person who makes the choice to drive the alternatives that make things tough, but when you have administration officials openly bragging that they make choices for consumers in terms of CAFE standards, alternative subsidies, and who get in the way of the standard fuel's development there is a pattern.
    If anyone tries to "force" you to by an EV, tell them to **** off for you, and give them another **** off from me. That kind of behavior is bull****. No one should knock you, in all seriousness, for your car choice. Likewise, anyone buying a Volt shouldn't be knocked or belittled for their choice.
    Using people's tax money as a subsidy for the alternative choice takes away some options though, the money out of my wallet makes my choices more limited, all the while choosing something I don't want as the "preferred" option. That is a problem.
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    Re: GM Suspending Chevy Volt Output Due To Slow Sales

    Quote Originally Posted by longview View Post
    I am thinking they actually make the diesel and gasoline from the natural gas (or synthetic natural gas).
    Banks Power | Synthetic Diesel Fuel
    Making Liquid Fuels From Natural Gas: A Technological Challenge Of The Twenty First Century
    We already know how to store them!
    I haven't heard much about the synthetics market yet, I'm sure it's possible because of similar chemical characteristics but have yet to hear much on it. I'm gonna have to run in a sec. but will check these articles out when I get a chance.
    Neither side in an argument can find the truth when both make an absolute claim on it.

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    Re: GM Suspending Chevy Volt Output Due To Slow Sales

    Quote Originally Posted by jimbo View Post
    To me that makes no sense at all. Why would you want to use expensive bird killing windmills to generate electricity so as to convert it to natural gas,when you already have hundreds of years of NG there for the taking?

    Carrying this a step further, no need for the windmills. We could just use our abundant resources of NG to make electricity in order to convert it to NG to make electricity.
    The reason I was bringing this up, is for people to think about hydrocarbons as an energy storage mechanism, as opposed to a limited resource.
    So many times we find that nature has already engineered a great solution to a problem,
    we just have to look at it correctly.
    We need a high density energy storage method for our modern lifestyles (and to keep eating).
    Hydrocarbons area near perfect storage method, and we are already set up to use them.
    If we can make our own hydrocarbons, whats the problem?
    The making of our own hydrocarbons consumes Co2, so the hydrocarbons burned are Co2 neutral.

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    Re: GM Suspending Chevy Volt Output Due To Slow Sales

    Quote Originally Posted by EagleAye View Post
    Well, if you look at it that way, a lot of us are getting something shoved down our throat. As long as we buy oil from Saudi Arabia some of that money gets filtered down to terrorists. But nobody asks me, I have to pay for that, and ultimately pay for the weapons that are killing our troops in field. That ****ing pisses me the **** off to no end. I don't want the yearly $4 Billion subsidy paid out to oil companies, but I get no choice in the matter. Depending on who you ask, oil companies get anywhere $14 Billion to $71 Billion in tax breaks every year. If you take the LOW average of this it works out equal the profits the oil industry makes. I think the industry should make a profit on it's own merit, not just handed to them. But I get no choice on this; it's just shoved down my throat. When people got tax breaks for buying a HumVee, I didn't want one, but my tax money helped pay for those who did. "The list is long." We don't live in paradise so we aren't all going to get everything just way we want it.



    I'll tell you what I tell everybody else, if a Volt or an EV isn't right for you, don't buy one. The silence from your wallet will tell the auto industry they need to improve the product. And you won't go broke driving a conventional vehicle, now. That's hyperbole and everybody knows it. If anyone tries to "force" you to by an EV, tell them to **** off for you, and give them another **** off from me. That kind of behavior is bull****. No one should knock you, in all seriousness, for your car choice. Likewise, anyone buying a Volt shouldn't be knocked or belittled for their choice.
    Do you realize how inconsistent those 2 statements are? On the one hand, you want an end to oil subsidies. To that I agree. I would like to see an end to all subsidies, including all energy and green subsidies. Let the chips fall where they may. I would also agree on the end to product subsidies. Again, let the market take care of the problem.

    That should also extend to removing the obstacles which favor one product over another. Placing obstacles in the way happens with government all the time, and not necessarily for economic reasons. If my information is correct, the Saudi oil problem would go away if we utilized our own resources, of which there are hundreds of years available.

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    Re: GM Suspending Chevy Volt Output Due To Slow Sales

    Quote Originally Posted by Phys251 View Post
    This is what can happen when it's all about microeconomics:

    The thread is about the Volt not selling. It's price point is above it's value!
    microeconomics

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    Re: GM Suspending Chevy Volt Output Due To Slow Sales

    Quote Originally Posted by longview View Post
    The reason I was bringing this up, is for people to think about hydrocarbons as an energy storage mechanism, as opposed to a limited resource.
    So many times we find that nature has already engineered a great solution to a problem,
    we just have to look at it correctly.
    We need a high density energy storage method for our modern lifestyles (and to keep eating).
    Hydrocarbons area near perfect storage method, and we are already set up to use them.
    If we can make our own hydrocarbons, whats the problem?
    The making of our own hydrocarbons consumes Co2, so the hydrocarbons burned are Co2 neutral.
    Again, why use electricity to manufacture a product we already have in abundance? Just store the NG. Eliminate the electricity phase.

    Hydrocarbons are already an energy storage mechanism. No need to manufacture hydrocarbons so we will have something to store.

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    Re: GM Suspending Chevy Volt Output Due To Slow Sales

    Quote Originally Posted by Phys251 View Post
    1. Sorry, but that is not true. Wind is becoming progressively cheaper, and in fact in some places in America, it has nearly achieved cost-competitiveness with coal. Furthermore, the evolution of energy-storing technology has made it more cost-feasible to smooth out the inevitable bumps and dips in power as the wind comes and goes.

    2. If we had that kind of mindset fifty years ago, we would have never invested in technologies that improved our lives. The space program, the Interstate Highway system, the Internet, etc., might have never come about. And keep in mind that all three of these are a direct result of the federal government.

    3. Coal power is, by far, the single biggest producer of serious atmospheric pollutants such as arsenic, mercury, lead, etc. Big Coal conveniently leaves these externalities out of the discussion when trumpeting its "cost-competitiveness," which is simply dishonest. Externalities are just as important to a society as profits and losses are, maybe more.
    I like your post, except for two problems, you never once mentioned natural gas. Further if wind is so great why did T Boone a wind supporter and investor lost millions and is only supporting natural gas?

    I used natural gas and coal as their is a thousand yrs of energy in those two natural resources. Further electricity does not save one drop of oil, which you further did not mention, nor did not respond to. Like I said I'm not against green but wind and solar is not the answer for a replacement to oil. This government spearheaded by Obama is subsidizing 30% of the cost to build and to buyers to support wind and solar and subsidizing electric cars, not because they are competitive, BUT BECAUSE THEY ARE NOT.
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