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    Re: 17 Afghans beheaded in insurgent attack on party

    Quote Originally Posted by sawyerloggingon View Post
    In 1994, bin Laden moved to Afghanistan and he used his wealth to finance the Taliban in the Afghan civil war. He bacame soul mates if you will with Mullah Ohmar and their ideologies merged, they matured into their present forms together and both are radical Wahabbe cult and believe in sharia law. They are like the army and the navy in this country,separate organizations but both represent the same country.
    That isn't really true, I have to go for a run but I'll hash it out more later. Essentially the Taliban emerged completely separate from al-Qaeda, while al-Qaeda planted itself in newly found friendly territory in Afghanistan and used its money and reservoir of committed militants to ingratiate themselves with the Taliban and support their campaign against Massoud and other renegade Afghan forces. But there was much friction at times, and it would be a real mistake to try and combine the two organizations. You also over-estimate the relationship between Omar and Bin Laden.

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    Re: 17 Afghans beheaded in insurgent attack on party

    Quote Originally Posted by TheDemSocialist View Post
    Excuse me... It was the "Mujhadeen" who then became the Taliban...
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    Re: 17 Afghans beheaded in insurgent attack on party

    Quote Originally Posted by notquiteright View Post
    Afghanistan wasn't a nation before the modern era, 1500's.

    it wasn't until the 19th century closed that a true Afghanistan emerged from warring shahs, generals, and foreign armies. Even then it wasn't a united nation as we would think but an affiliation, how tight or loose more dependent on the central ruler than any sense of national unity.

    Now I didn't mention the Soviets to praise them, but to point out they stirred such ire by doing what we are attempting in the way of social reform. Not sure why we think we can do any better.
    The Soviets weren't attempting social teform. They were simply trying to prop up a Communist dictatorship.
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    Re: 17 Afghans beheaded in insurgent attack on party

    Quote Originally Posted by apdst View Post
    The Soviets weren't attempting social teform. They were simply trying to prop up a Communist dictatorship.
    Actually, the Soviets didnt care about puppet regimes...they cared about their quest for global domination and to the soviets, a downward and westward expansion into Afghanistan gave them two things...lucrative poppy fields, and put them one step closer to the worlds oil fields.

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    Re: 17 Afghans beheaded in insurgent attack on party

    Who was the last invader to successfully take over and positively control Afghanistan?
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    Re: 17 Afghans beheaded in insurgent attack on party

    Quote Originally Posted by Blue_State View Post
    Who was the last invader to successfully take over and positively control Afghanistan?
    We didn't go to Afghan to invade and control, we went there to destroy Alquiada training camps and bring down the Taliban government that let Alquiada train there. Then we got involved in nation building which I disagree with. After we ran osama out and killed half the Taliban leaders we should have left with the admonition that, if you let Alquiada back, we will be back.

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    Re: 17 Afghans beheaded in insurgent attack on party

    Quote Originally Posted by TheDemSocialist View Post
    Do you have anything else any other source? Because i honestly dont have time to read a whole book.
    I think I begin to see the source of your problem...
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    Re: 17 Afghans beheaded in insurgent attack on party

    Quote Originally Posted by StillBallin75 View Post
    Actually the root of that conflict goes way back to the 1800s during the "Great Game" conflict between the Brits and Tsarist Russia.
    There is a good history of that period in The Great Game: The Struggle for Empire in Central Asia.
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    Re: 17 Afghans beheaded in insurgent attack on party

    Many who see a global threat by the Soviet during the 80's fail to understand Empire creep. The Brits didn't occupy most the world because they had some wide eyed desire to rule the world, but rather to protect the gems of it's Empire and the trade routes to and from.

    The Soviets didn't want Afghanistan to be a step closer to the Gulf, it is a blind alley no one has ever controlled. The Soviets were fracturing internally as many of the ethnic groups in the Soviet were weary of a distant overlord who's dismissal of their culture, insertion of Russian settlers, and lack of even basic consumer goods were beginning to see the West was a land of plenty where even the poorest citizen lived amazing lives.

    The Soviets were not bent on world domination but rather hanging onto what they already had. A communist government on their 'Stan' border was in trouble. If Soviet failed to support them the Communist hardliners in the Kremlin worried the rest of their Stans would take that as a sign of weakness and revolt.

    But not just there, in the Warsaw Pact Poland formed it's Solidarity Union in 1980. While the collapse of the Warsaw Pact startled everyone in the West to include the CIA , it didn't happen overnite and started way before 1980. If the Warsaw Pact nations saw the Kremlin as weak the buffer zone and economic exploitation area would be lost, no Soviet leader could stand that thought, or most likely survive.

    So like it or not the Soviet Union was bound to the fate of a small communist party in so backwater a nation sunshine takes an extra day to get there.

    (like the USofA and the Domino Theory being drawn into a land war in Asia)

    I know it is an article of Faith among some that even today the Roosians are plotting to take over the world so we must spend whatever amount of money on whatever hair brained scheme the 'experts' can come up with... but what drove the Russians to cross into Afghanistan was saving face, not world domination.

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    Re: 17 Afghans beheaded in insurgent attack on party

    Quote Originally Posted by sawyerloggingon View Post
    We didn't go to Afghan to invade and control, we went there to destroy Alquiada training camps and bring down the Taliban government that let Alquiada train there. Then we got involved in nation building which I disagree with. After we ran osama out and killed half the Taliban leaders we should have left with the admonition that, if you let Alquiada back, we will be back.
    If we didn't go there to invade and control it, then why did we go there, invade, change their government and control it?
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