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    Re: 17 Afghans beheaded in insurgent attack on party

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    Pshhh typical.. The great thing about Wiki is that you just click on the sources and walah! You find sources! http://www.millat.com/democracy/Fore...english_11.pdf
    A paper on Pakistan's foreign policy? Keep trying. Even a blind hog can find an acorn, sometimes.
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    Re: 17 Afghans beheaded in insurgent attack on party

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    A paper on Pakistan's foreign policy? Keep trying. Even a blind hog can find an acorn, sometimes.

    So you actually believe we did not support the whole Mujhadeen itself? We did not support Osama Bin Laden. I think its about time you point to your sources...


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    Re: 17 Afghans beheaded in insurgent attack on party

    Quote Originally Posted by TheDemSocialist View Post

    So you actually believe we did not support the whole Mujhadeen itself? We did not support Osama Bin Laden. I think its about time you point to your sources...
    I don't believe it...I know it. It's an historical fact.
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    Re: 17 Afghans beheaded in insurgent attack on party

    Quote Originally Posted by apdst View Post
    I don't believe it...I know it. It's an historical fact.
    Ahm... Sources...


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    Re: 17 Afghans beheaded in insurgent attack on party

    Quote Originally Posted by apdst View Post
    I don't believe it...I know it. It's an historical fact.
    Not outside your head. Out here in the rest of the world, the US was instrumental in the support and growth of the Mujahideen.
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    Re: 17 Afghans beheaded in insurgent attack on party

    Quote Originally Posted by TheDemSocialist View Post
    Ahm... Sources...
    I've already given you a source.
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    Re: 17 Afghans beheaded in insurgent attack on party

    Quote Originally Posted by apdst View Post
    I've already given you a source.
    Telling me to see a movie i already have seen is not a source.
    How about you should some scholarly or historical research? Documents. You know things that can back up your claims. Not a hollywood movie. Thats like me in a debate about Che to go watch the movie Che.. Cmon get real.


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    Re: 17 Afghans beheaded in insurgent attack on party

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    Operation Cyclone - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
    "he U.S. offered two packages of economic assistance and military sales to support Pakistan's role in the war against the Soviet troops in Afghanistan. The first six-year assistance package (1981–87) amounted to US$3.2 billion, equally divided between economic assistance and military sales. The U.S. also sold 40 F-16 aircraft to Pakistan during 1983–87 at a cost of $1.2 billion outside the assistance package. The second six-year assistance package (1987–93) amounted to $4.2 billion. Out of this, $2.28 billion were allocated for economic assistance in the form of grants or loan that carried the interest rate of 2–3 per cent. The rest of the allocation ($1.74 billion) was in the form of credit for military purchases."

    Clinton admits to US support for Bin Laden & creation of Taliban | Rupee News
    "The Taliban was a construct of the CIA and was armed by the CIA….Republican Congressman Dana Rohrabacher
    It seemed like a great idea, back in the ’80s to– embolden– and train and equip– Taliban, mujahidin, jihadists against the Soviet Union, which had invaded Afghanistan. And with our help, and with the Pakistani support– this group– including, at that time, Bin Laden, defeated the Soviet Union. Secretary of State Hillary Clinton, Oct. 7th, 2009"

    al-Qaeda - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
    "U.S. government financial support for the Afghan Islamic militants was substantial. Aid to Gulbuddin Hekmatyar, an Afghan mujahideen leader. and founder and leader of the Hezb-e Islami radical Islamic militant faction, alone amounted "by the most conservative estimates" to $600 million. Later, in the early 1990s, after the U.S. had withdrawn support, Hekmatyar "worked closely" with bin Laden."
    1. No one is denying that the US funneled money to Afghan militants in the 1980's, what people are denying is that we directly funded the Taliban which is impossible since the group did not exist until the early 1990's. Secondly the claim that we indirectly funded the Taliban is misleading since we assisted in funding a huge swathe of militant groups, some of whom joined the Taliban, but most of whom did not.

    2. I don't know what 'Rupee News' is but the US did not fund Osama Bin Laden at any point, nor was the Taliban an 'American construction' that is nonsense.

    3. Gulbuddin Hekmatyar is not al-Qaeda, and Hezb-e Islami is both a political party that is represented in the Afghan Parliament, and a militant group that clashes with al-Qaeda, the Taliban, and ISAF forces. Gulbuddin probably did work with al-Qaeda to a degree, especially when it came to trying to oust Massoud from Kabul and Mazari Sharif.

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    Re: 17 Afghans beheaded in insurgent attack on party

    Quote Originally Posted by TheDemSocialist View Post
    Telling me to see a movie i already have seen is not a source.
    How about you should some scholarly or historical research? Documents. You know things that can back up your claims. Not a hollywood movie. Thats like me in a debate about Che to go watch the movie Che.. Cmon get real.
    I'm talking about the book, dude!
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    Re: 17 Afghans beheaded in insurgent attack on party

    Sherman-
    the other stans sent fighters to Afghanistan to fight the Soviet invasion, they also trained in the camps both in Pakistan and Afghanistan along with many other Radicals from a dozen or so nations. Laying the revolutionary efforts of the surrounding region at the feet of the Taliban is flawed. The reasons the Mujahideen fought the Soviet now Russians doesn't end at the Amu Dar'ya River.

    You confuse common goals with a master mind nation. We did that with the early commies. China and Russia were not buddies.

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    The CIA funneled a great deal of money, weapons and other aid to the Pastuns, from the Pastuns arose the Taliwackers. You are confusing al-Queeras almost exclusive 'private' funding with the Pastuns who were so more than happy to take anyone's money, weapons and ammo.

    Now of course we do the twist to have deniability on where our 'secret' help went.

    But back to the issue we are discussing, a decade of 'democracy' elections, millions in training the Afghans, and they still shoot us. Somehow we always miss the point with nations, hell tribal regions more like it. Some folks just don't want Pepsi and blue jeans, don't want women to be equal and don't give a damn what the rest of the world thinks.

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