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    Re: 17 Afghans beheaded in insurgent attack on party

    Quote Originally Posted by TheDemSocialist View Post
    The Northern Alliance was not created until 1996...
    Neither was the Taluban. However, the forces commanded by Ahmad Shah Massoud eventually became known as The Northern Alliance and those were the folks we helped during the war.
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    Re: 17 Afghans beheaded in insurgent attack on party

    Quote Originally Posted by Sherman123 View Post
    Those men in the picture are not the Taliban.
    Excuse me... It was the "Mujhadeen" who then became the Taliban...


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    Re: 17 Afghans beheaded in insurgent attack on party

    Quote Originally Posted by apdst View Post
    Neither was the Taluban. However, the forces commanded by Ahmad Shah Massoud eventually became known as The Northern Alliance and those were the folks we helped during the war.
    Mujhadeen became the Taliban once they took power...


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    Re: 17 Afghans beheaded in insurgent attack on party

    Quote Originally Posted by TheDemSocialist View Post
    Excuse me... It was the "Mujhadeen" who then became the Taliban...
    Um, you're excused. Not all of the Mujas formed the Taliban. The Muja force that were commanded by Massoud became the Northern Alliance.
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    Re: 17 Afghans beheaded in insurgent attack on party

    Quote Originally Posted by TheDemSocialist View Post
    Excuse me... It was the "Mujhadeen" who then became the Taliban...
    The Taliban draws few direct links from the Mujhadeen as they are completely separate organizations, one being an umbrella group of dozens of organizations, the other being a primarily youth led Islamic scholars movement.

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    Re: 17 Afghans beheaded in insurgent attack on party

    Quote Originally Posted by VanceMack View Post
    Perhaps my single biggest complaint against GWB...we 'won' the war against Afghanistan 10 years ago. It wasnt and isnt our job to transform 'stan or any other country. The Taliban were ousted, a government was elected. We should have given them 3 years to train up their own forces and dictate the course of their future. If they want to sit back and allow a bunch of backwards ass mountain dwellers to turn the clock back on their country 5-6 hundred years...**** em...thats their business. If the citizens of 'stan want to accept it...great. If they want to fight it, even better. We should have been out at least 6 years ago.

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    Quote Originally Posted by apdst View Post
    Um, you're excused. Not all of the Mujas formed the Taliban. The Muja force that were commanded by Massoud became the Northern Alliance.
    Which is (the Northern Alliance) just as bad as the Taliban in many respects.
    "And in the end, we were all just humans, drunk on the idea that love, only love, could heal our brokenness."

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    Re: 17 Afghans beheaded in insurgent attack on party

    Quote Originally Posted by TheDemSocialist View Post
    Mujhadeen became the Taliban once they took power...
    Ok, look. Here's the reality: The folks we supported didn't evolve into the Taliban.
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    Re: 17 Afghans beheaded in insurgent attack on party

    The US gave financial assistance to Afghan anti-Soviet militants via ISI and occasionally through independent routes which was a condition of the compact with Pakistan which took on considerable risk by allowing their Soviet occupying neighbors to be attacked by militants trained in their territory. That funding was then used to purchase weapons, munitions, medical equipment, food, trucks, etc which was funneled to a variety of groups some representing the Afghan government in exile, some went to Hekmatyer, the Islamic Dawah Group (which is now a political party), etc. The umbrella group which received the lions share of support was called the Islamic Unity of Afghanistan Mujahadeen and consisted of a variety of Islamist, Traditionalist, and Nationalist groups many of whom have reemerged as political parties in Afghanistan today, others yes have become part of the network of opposition forces such as Hekmatyer's forces.

    However the US never had more than a half dozen field agents in Afghanistan and NW Pakistan, it kept its touch to a minimum, and funding channels were rarely chosen by the US. Nor did any direct support ever go to al-Qaeda or the Taliban, the former mostly fought on funds raised from their own charitable groups. Which was true of most Arab groups that went to Pakistan and Afghanistan.

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    Re: 17 Afghans beheaded in insurgent attack on party

    Quote Originally Posted by apdst View Post
    Ok, look. Here's the reality: The folks we supported didn't evolve into the Taliban.
    Uhhhh yes they did. To state otherwise is entirely ignorant.
    "The Taliban are one of the mujahideen ("holy warriors" or "freedom fighters") groups that formed during the war against the Soviet occupation of Afghanistan (1979-89)"

    Read more: The Taliban — Infoplease.com The Taliban — Infoplease.com

    http://therealnews.com/t2/index.php?...4&jumival=5439


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    Re: 17 Afghans beheaded in insurgent attack on party

    Quote Originally Posted by TheDemSocialist View Post
    Uhhhh yes they did. To state otherwise is entirely ignorant.
    "The Taliban are one of the mujahideen ("holy warriors" or "freedom fighters") groups that formed during the war against the Soviet occupation of Afghanistan (1979-89)"

    Read more: The Taliban — Infoplease.com The Taliban — Infoplease.com

    http://therealnews.com/t2/index.php?...4&jumival=5439
    Right, the units that evolved into the Taliban were only PART of the Mujahadeen. The entire Mujahadeen didn't evolve imto the Taliban
    Quote Originally Posted by Top Cat View Post
    At least Bill saved his transgressions for grown women. Not suggesting what he did was OK. But he didn't chase 14 year olds.

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