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    Camden To Scrap Police Dept Amid Budget Woes

    Camden to scrap police department amid budget woes | Fox News

    even new jersey, huh?

    buncha union busters

    don't tell ed schultz

    Crime-ridden Camden, New Jersey - often referred to as the most dangerous city in the United States - is getting rid of its police department.

    In the latest example of a cash-strapped municipality taking drastic measures to deal with swollen public sector liabilities and shrinking budgets, the city plans to disband its 460-member police department and replace it with a non-union “Metro Division” of the Camden County Police. Backers of the plan say it will save millions of dollars for taxpayers while ensuring public safety, but police unions say it is simply a way to get out of collective bargaining with the men and women in blue.

    “This is definitely a form of union-busting," Camden Fraternal Order of Police President John Williamson told FoxNews.com. “This method is unproven and untested, to put your faith in an agency that doesn’t even [yet] exist.”

    Camden County Mayor Dana Redd has said layoffs of the city’s police force will begin by the end of the month. Only 49 percent of current city police officers will be transferred to the new county division, whose members will begin a four- to five-month training program.

    “The officers who are getting laid off are going to have to be the ones who train their replacements,” Williamson said.

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    Re: Camden To Scrap Police Dept Amid Budget Woes

    Good stuff.

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    Re: Camden To Scrap Police Dept Amid Budget Woes

    The report states, "only 49 percent of current city police officers will be transferred to the new county division." I am curious as to what the criteria is for those who would be chosen for the transfer. It does not always mean the "creme of the crop" or best suited for the job.

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    Re: Camden To Scrap Police Dept Amid Budget Woes

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    Camden to scrap police department amid budget woes | Fox News

    even new jersey, huh?

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    Good for them. Camden.If their unions are bleeding them dry and those unions refuse to make reasonable cuts then the city should get rid of them.
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    Re: Camden To Scrap Police Dept Amid Budget Woes

    Ah obviously the way to solve Candem's crime issue is to financially cripple the very people who know the streets of Camden, fire half of them and replace them with rookies. I have no love for cops but this sounds ridiculous.
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    Re: Camden To Scrap Police Dept Amid Budget Woes

    How much do you think a police officer should be paid? That's curiosity, not partisanship asking. I await your humble opinions as to what is fair.

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    Re: Camden To Scrap Police Dept Amid Budget Woes

    our economic woes are not being caused by teachers, police, or firefighters.

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    Re: Camden To Scrap Police Dept Amid Budget Woes

    Quote Originally Posted by jamesrage View Post
    Good for them. Camden.If their unions are bleeding them dry and those unions refuse to make reasonable cuts then the city should get rid of them.
    Oh, of course, it the middle class public employee unions that have looted the New Jersey treasury, just like they did in California. The looting has absolutely nothing to do with over 50 years of outrageous pay-to-play scheming between the politicians and the state contracts they steer towards their wealthy upper class benefactors in private industry, who shamelessly overcharge the state for every unit of goods or services they provide.

    Maybe Camden should privatize their police force. Wouldn't that be a swell idea? This way the company that gets the contract can pay their "police officers" minimum wage while the owners and top executives can pocket the rest, sans the piece they will have to set aside for the politicians so they can continue procuring them the contract, the cost of which will surely increase at a logarithmic pace with each renewal, even though the service provided will remain utterly abysmal.
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    Re: Camden To Scrap Police Dept Amid Budget Woes

    Quote Originally Posted by The Prof View Post
    Camden to scrap police department amid budget woes | Fox News

    even new jersey, huh?

    buncha union busters

    don't tell ed schultz

    I'm shocked, really. They probably need to dissolve their pension plan. (Don't worry, the officers most likely have to be paid all of the money invested on their behalf...assuming they have a Defined Benefit Plan like most other public employees.)

    The unions just don't get it. I have no idea how much they are being paid. It's probably not enough, actually. But pension benefits? That's huge. A union spokesperson said, paraphrased, "We tried to give them concessions, like shift differential pay, but it wasn't good enough." Benefits, folks. It's all about the benefits in the background.

    New Jersey police officers' salaries rank the highest in the nation, with a median of $90,672. I thought this was rather interesting:

    In Bergen County, 59 of 68 towns have median police salaries above $100,000. The highest median pay in the state was $134,132 in Rochelle Park, where 19 cops patrol a one-square-mile borough near the intersection of the Garden State Parkway and Route 80.
    And this, about Camden:

    “Today, it costs the City of Camden about $140,000 in salary, pension and benefits; to employ a sergeant and higher-ranked officer is costs about $200,000, according to the mayor’s Office,” said Cappelli. “That is unsustainable.”
    The city of Camden has a population of 77,283. Median income of $26,752. It's not hard to see how they're going broke. The Mayor says that, for the same money through the reorganization, they can have twice the number of officers. The rumor is that 8 or more other communities are considering joining the county-wide force.

    Perhaps it will give the politicians a chance to do it right this time...and employ a force at a pay/benefits level they can afford to pay.
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    Re: Camden To Scrap Police Dept Amid Budget Woes

    Quote Originally Posted by Helix View Post
    our economic woes are not being caused by teachers, police, or firefighters.
    Well, actually they are. At least at the city government level. And in some cases the state government level as well.

    There is only so much money.

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