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    Re: Camden To Scrap Police Dept Amid Budget Woes

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    Is there some point you are trying to make here, Maggie, other than the fact that you have no shame whatsoever when it comes to submitting misleading statistics? The cost of living in Camden County will vary widely depending upon where exactly one lives in the county. Try comparing the cost of housing in Camden, Camden County with say... the cost of housing in Haddonfield, Camden County. Just the same, the cost of living in Los Angeles County will vary widely depending upon whether one lives in South Central or Beverly Hills.

    The point of the matter is that New Jersey has the third highest cost of living in the United States; thus, wage earnings will, by necessity, be higher in New Jersey than in most other states. If you are going to break this very simple statistic down into minutia, have the decency to at least finish the job.
    And you, my friend, have the decency to at least post a link to substantiate even one of your claims.
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    Re: Camden To Scrap Police Dept Amid Budget Woes

    Quote Originally Posted by MaggieD View Post
    And you, my friend, have the decency to at least post a link to substantiate even one of your claims.
    Would you feel better if I provided you a link about the cost of housing in various municipalities in Camden County, NJ, dear? Do you really think I'm making this up, or are you under some absurd delusion that cost of housing in Camden County is strangely uniform?


    Using your own link:


    Camden, New Jersey (NJ) profile: population, maps, real estate, averages, homes, statistics, relocation, travel, jobs, hospitals, schools, crime, moving, houses, news, sex offenders

    Haddonfield, New Jersey (NJ 08033) profile: population, maps, real estate, averages, homes, statistics, relocation, travel, jobs, hospitals, schools, crime, moving, houses, news

    Knock yourself out, sweetie.


    And if you need some links about corruption in NJ, just google "corruption in NJ" and you'll have more than you can handle in a lifetime.
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    Re: Camden To Scrap Police Dept Amid Budget Woes

    Quote Originally Posted by Sig View Post
    Would you feel better if I provided you a link about the cost of housing in various municipalities in Camden County, NJ, dear? Do you really think I'm making this up, or are you under some absurd delusion that cost of housing in Camden County is strangely uniform?

    Using your own link:

    Camden, New Jersey (NJ) profile: population, maps, real estate, averages, homes, statistics, relocation, travel, jobs, hospitals, schools, crime, moving, houses, news, sex offenders

    Haddonfield, New Jersey (NJ 08033) profile: population, maps, real estate, averages, homes, statistics, relocation, travel, jobs, hospitals, schools, crime, moving, houses, news

    Knock yourself out, sweetie.

    And if you need some links about corruption in NJ, just google "corruption in NJ" and you'll have more than you can handle in a lifetime.
    Dear and Sweetie. Aren't you cute. But I'll ignore that archaic way of showing superiority, since I respect my elders. However. I won't ignore your failure to supply links to substantiate:

    This:
    The salaries for New Jersey employees in just about every arena of employment are higher than that in most every state, with the exception of California and Hawaii.
    And this:

    Because NJ has the third highest cost of living in the United States.
    And this:

    Just so you know, about the only job more taxing upon the mind and soul than that of an inner-city police officer is that of an oncologist.
    Oh, and THIS:

    Compare, widget for widget, what the state and local government is paying compared to the going market rate for the same good or service. You might just have a stroke.
    Further, I have no idea why you are zeroing in on my post in particular. I posted the Top 10 Most Dangerous Jobs in the United States, along with deaths per 100,000 and their paychecks. I posted the median salaries of Camden LEOs; the median salaries of all LEOs in New Jersey. All without my personal editorial comments.

    What's got you so upset, Sig? Are you a public employee? That answer would be: YES.
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    Re: Camden To Scrap Police Dept Amid Budget Woes

    Quote Originally Posted by MaggieD View Post

    Dear and Sweetie. Aren't you cute. But I'll ignore that archaic way of showing superiority, since I respect my elders. However. I won't ignore your failure to supply links to substantiate:
    I am your superior regardless of my age, buttercup. Get used to it.

    Further, I have no idea why you are zeroing in on my post in particular. I posted the Top 10 Most Dangerous Jobs in the United States, along with deaths per 100,000 and their paychecks. I posted the median salaries of Camden LEOs; the median salaries of all LEOs in New Jersey. All without my personal editorial comments.
    I am zeroing in your posts because you are an otherwise intelligent person who is nevertheless a misguided fool. It really is a pity.

    What's got you so upset, Sig? Are you a public employee? That answer would be: YES.
    Actually, I am a retired investor living on a pension. However, I have a number of friends and family members who are public employees and I take offense at the naivete of people like yourself who have so easily fallen for the insidious disinformation conveyed by the upper class upon the middle class, in states like California and New Jersey, wherein they attempt to blame middle class public employees for their states' financial problems when it is, in fact, the wealthy upper class who have exploited their political clout so to loot the treasuries of these states with abandon.

    We are talking about shameless, greedy, pigs who have obtained their great wealth by procuring contracts which allow their companies to sell goods and services to these states at rates which are often three to five times (or more) fair market value, and get away with it with impunity. They have looted the treasuries of states like California and NJ, and none of the elected officials in these states or the federal government or the media (liberal or conservative) is doing a danm thing about it. Instead, they are scapegoating middle class people, like Camden police officers, none of whom have ever become particularly wealthy from their middle class jobs. It is an absolute disgrace that this is happening, and will continue to happen, thanks in no small part from fools like yourself who are so easily duped by a mass media that is undoubtedly owned by some of the same wealthy upper class pigs who are responsible for the revenue woes within these states.
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    Re: Camden To Scrap Police Dept Amid Budget Woes

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    I am your superior regardless of my age, buttercup. Get used to it.

    I am zeroing in your posts because you are an otherwise intelligent person who is nevertheless a misguided fool. It really is a pity.

    Actually, I am a retired investor living on a pension. However, I have a number of friends and family members who are public employees and I take offense at the naivete of people like yourself who have so easily fallen for the insidious disinformation conveyed by the upper class upon the middle class, in states like California and New Jersey, wherein they attempt to blame middle class public employees for their states' financial problems when it is, in fact, the wealthy upper class who have exploited their political clout so to loot the treasuries of these states with abandon.

    We are talking about shameless, greedy, pigs who have obtained their great wealth by procuring contracts which allow their companies to sell goods and services to these states at rates which are often three to five times (or more) fair market value, and get away with it with impunity. They have looted the treasuries of states like California and NJ, and none of the elected officials in these states or the federal government or the media (liberal or conservative) is doing a danm thing about it. Instead, they are scapegoating middle class people, like Camden police officers, none of whom have ever become particularly wealthy from their middle class jobs. It is an absolute disgrace that this is happening, and will continue to happen, thanks in no small part from fools like yourself who are so easily duped by a mass media that is undoubtedly owned by some of the same wealthy upper class pigs who are responsible for the revenue woes within these states.
    First, I blame politicians for everything. Let's see some links, Mr. Sig. So much better than your flappin' gums. Ones that show that states are paying three to five times what things are worth large scale. Next, exactly what is a "retired investor"?

    Your attempts to patronize me are falling on deaf ears. The simple fact is that taxpayers cannot afford your friends and relatives' public pensions. (And yours, I'd venture a guess.) I blame politicians for ever having agreed to them in the first place. People are standing in line around the block to become police officers in just about every city in this nation. Why is that if the pay's so bad? Know why? 'Cause it isn't.

    You remind me of a guy I used to work with. He called all the girls in the office honey and sweetie, too. Just before he patted 'em on the ass.
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    Re: Camden To Scrap Police Dept Amid Budget Woes

    Quote Originally Posted by MaggieD View Post

    First, I blame politicians for everything.
    That's not good enough. The politicians are essentially "hired" by their benefactors in the private sector to procure these lucrative contracts in what is really a kickback scheme orchestrated through the local party boss (who is not an elected official). This way, any accusation of a direct quid-pro-quo between the elected official and the benefactor can be plausibly denied.

    Let's see some links, Mr. Sig. So much better than your flappin' gums. Ones that show that states are paying three to five times what things are worth large scale.
    You make it sound as if I'm divulging esoteric information. Government's habit of paying more than fair market value for just about everything it purchases from the private sector is so common that the iconic "$400 toilet seat" has become a cliche.

    If you want some links, try googling "wasteful government spending." You will be inundated with reports and examples.

    The Worst Examples Of Pork - Business Insider

    The Most Wasteful Pork of 2011 Photo Gallery - All Photos - Conspiracies on truTV.com

    Next, exactly what is a "retired investor"?
    Someone who is officially retired but dabbles in the market.

    Your attempts to patronize me are falling on deaf ears.
    That's a shame.

    The simple fact is that taxpayers cannot afford your friends and relatives' public pensions.
    And why is that, dear? Tell me, what do you know about NJ's pension woes? How did the problem get started? Who is to really to blame?

    I blame politicians for ever having agreed to them in the first place.
    Well, you're half right (at least about blaming the politicians), but still very, very wrong.

    People are standing in line around the block to become police officers in just about every city in this nation. Why is that if the pay's so bad? Know why? 'Cause it isn't.
    Isn't "pay" the focus of the controversy in the first place, dear? The surest path to engrained police corruption is to not pay the police an adequate salary, forcing them to find other means of supplementing their income. America has already learned this lesson the hard way. Are you prescribing a revisitation?

    You remind me of a guy I used to work with. He called all the girls in the office honey and sweetie, too. Just before he patted 'em on the ass.
    Unfortunately, I am in no position to do so at the moment. Tell you what, Maggie. Get up from your chair and slap yourself on the ass as hard as you can and pretend its from me.
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    Re: Camden To Scrap Police Dept Amid Budget Woes

    Quote Originally Posted by Sig View Post
    That's not good enough. The politicians are essentially "hired" by their benefactors in the private sector to procure these lucrative contracts in what is really a kickback scheme orchestrated through the local party boss (who is not an elected official). This way, any accusation of a direct quid-pro-quo between the elected official and the benefactor can be plausibly denied.



    You make it sound as if I'm divulging esoteric information. Government's habit of paying more than fair market value for just about everything it purchases from the private sector is so common that the iconic "$400 toilet seat" has become a cliche.

    If you want some links, try googling "wasteful government spending." You will be inundated with reports and examples.

    The Worst Examples Of Pork - Business Insider

    The Most Wasteful Pork of 2011 Photo Gallery - All Photos - Conspiracies on truTV.com



    Someone who is officially retired but dabbles in the market.

    That's a shame.

    And why is that, dear? Tell me, what do you know about NJ's pension woes? How did the problem get started? Who is to really to blame?

    Well, you're half right (at least about blaming the politicians), but still very, very wrong.

    Isn't "pay" the focus of the controversy in the first place, dear? The surest path to engrained police corruption is to not pay the police an adequate salary, forcing them to find other means of supplementing their income. America has already learned this lesson the hard way. Are you prescribing a revisitation?

    Unfortunately, I am in no position to do so at the moment. Tell you what, Maggie. Get up from your chair and slap yourself on the ass as hard as you can and pretend its from me.
    Okay, props. That made me laugh out loud!! Hahaha!!

    I don't claim to have answers about New Jersey, my little kumquat. But saying the answer to police corruption lies in paying LEOs more is just....well....wrong. If LEOs don't think they're making enough money, they can do what the private sector does: find a new job. (Yeah, like that happens.)

    Yeah, I know we pay $400 for toilet seats. Who is to blame for that? I don't know who you blame, but I blame the politicians who allow it to continue through a ridiculously complex bidding system that requires companies have a full-time staff of Philadelphia lawyers to even place a bid.

    Now, my little pumpkin, back to the NJ pension woes. I'll equate those to Illinois, although I don't know that it's the same. I blame the politicians, first and foremost. Next, I blame the pension systems (which here in IL are administered, in many cases, by the unions themselves. Reason? The teachers' pension funds here, as an example, are using an 8% projected return on investments. Nobody is making 8% on the kinds of investments that are allowed within pension funds. So every single year?? The pensions come up heartily short. Taxpayers simply cannot afford them. Our state is on the verge of bankruptcy.
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    Re: Camden To Scrap Police Dept Amid Budget Woes

    Quote Originally Posted by MaggieD View Post

    Okay, props. That made me laugh out loud!! Hahaha!!

    I don't claim to have answers about New Jersey, my little kumquat.
    Well, that's rather unfortunate because NJ is what the discussion is all about. You might as well blow, my intellectually useless honeybunch.

    But saying the answer to police corruption lies in paying LEOs more is just....well....wrong. If LEOs don't think they're making enough money, they can do what the private sector does: find a new job. (Yeah, like that happens.)
    The answer to police corruption lies in paying LEO a salary commensurate with the job responsibilities. This may come as a surprise to you, but prior to the formation of police unions (and even for a considerable time afterward) corruption was endemic in every metro police department in the land. This is not to say that corruption does not still exist, but it is nothing like what existed 100 years ago. This only stands to reason. After all, a cop who is paid enough to fear losing his salary, pension, and benefits will be much more resistant to corruptive influences than one who is not (i.e: NOPD).

    Yeah, I know we pay $400 for toilet seats. Who is to blame for that? I don't know who you blame, but I blame the politicians who allow it to continue through a ridiculously complex bidding system that requires companies have a full-time staff of Philadelphia lawyers to even place a bid.
    You blame a system which believes that political donations and free speech are the same thing. That is who and what you blame, sweetie! Where is your mind?

    Now, my little pumpkin, back to the NJ pension woes. I'll equate those to Illinois, although I don't know that it's the same.
    They are not the same, so let's stop right there. First know what you are talking about before blathering on about a subject of which you are woefully ignorant. This way, you'll seem so much less like a bimbo.
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    Re: Camden To Scrap Police Dept Amid Budget Woes

    Quote Originally Posted by Sig View Post
    Well, that's rather unfortunate because NJ is what the discussion is all about. You might as well blow, my intellectually useless honeybunch.

    The answer to police corruption lies in paying LEO a salary commensurate with the job responsibilities. This may come as a surprise to you, but prior to the formation of police unions (and even for a considerable time afterward) corruption was endemic in every metro police department in the land. This is not to say that corruption does not still exist, but it is nothing like what existed 100 years ago. This only stands to reason. After all, a cop who is paid enough to fear losing his salary, pension, and benefits will be much more resistant to corruptive influences than one who is not (i.e: NOPD).



    You blame a system which believes that political donations and free speech are the same thing. That is who and what you blame, sweetie! Where is your mind?

    They are not the same, so let's stop right there. First know what you are talking about before blathering on about a subject of which you are woefully ignorant. This way, you'll seem so much less like a bimbo.
    Go find someone with your level of expertise, Mr. Smarty Pants. I'm done here.
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    Re: Camden To Scrap Police Dept Amid Budget Woes

    Quote Originally Posted by Connery View Post
    The report states, "only 49 percent of current city police officers will be transferred to the new county division." I am curious as to what the criteria is for those who would be chosen for the transfer. It does not always mean the "creme of the crop" or best suited for the job.
    What do you care about their qualifications? You do have your own private security don't you? Aren't you just sick of paying for protecting the peasants? We can cut taxes some more too. That leaves plenty to beef up your own "army". The firemen are next, our homes are all equipped with sprinklers.

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