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    Re: Camden To Scrap Police Dept Amid Budget Woes

    Quote Originally Posted by MaggieD View Post
    It's as difficult to say "what's fair" to compensate LEOs as it is to say "what's fair" to tax the 1%, don't you think? But here's some food for thought. If danger and injuries is part of the equation (which everyone will certainly say it is), here are some comparisons -- the ten most dangerous jobs in the United States:

    The median wage of police officers in New Jersey is $90,672. The median wage of LEO's in Camden, New Jersey is $79,656.

    N.J. police salaries rank highest in nation with median pay of $90,672 | NJ.com
    The salaries for New Jersey employees in just about every arena of employment are higher than that in most every state, with the exception of California and Hawaii.

    Why is that, Maggie?

    Because NJ has the third highest cost of living in the United States. Ergo, NJ employers, including the state and local governments, have to pay a higher salary in order to maintain an adequate work force. But we have already discussed this so please refrain from your continued and deliberate intellectual dishonesty through submitting unqualified statistics in regards to the salaries of police officers in NJ. Your credibility is at stake here.

    One more thing: Just so you know, about the only job more taxing upon the mind and soul than that of an inner-city police officer is that of an oncologist.
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    Re: Camden To Scrap Police Dept Amid Budget Woes

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    The salaries for New Jersey employees in just about every arena of employment are higher than that in most every state, with the exception of California and Hawaii.

    Why is that, Maggie?

    Because NJ has the third highest cost of living in the United States. Ergo, NJ employers, including the state and local governments, have to pay a higher salary in order to maintain an adequate work force. But we have already discussed this so please refrain from your continued and deliberate intellectual dishonesty through submitting unqualified statistics in regards to the salaries of police officers in NJ. Your credibility is at stake here.

    One more thing: Just so you know, about the only job more taxing upon the mind and soul than that of an inner-city police officer is that of an oncologist.
    You should see the property taxes out here. Nothing more than theft if you ask me!
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    Re: Camden To Scrap Police Dept Amid Budget Woes

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    You should see the property taxes out here. Nothing more than theft if you ask me!
    Perhaps you should start looking at the receipts and see if you are getting your dollar's worth. Compare, widget for widget, what the state and local government is paying compared to the going market rate for the same good or service. You might just have a stroke.
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    Re: Camden To Scrap Police Dept Amid Budget Woes

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    All the moms in my life would live in cardboard boxes before they would subject their children to being shot to death while jumping rope on the front sidewalk. Before they would allow their young sons to be corrupted by a gang mentality and end up dead or in jail before they hit 25. The coppers try to clean up a neighborhood, and people throw rocks at them. Scream police brutality. They should be serving them coffee and donuts. There's something intrinsically wrong with them. I just don't know what it is.
    Mind explaining to me why you think poor mothers are staying in crime-ridden areas for, if not because they are unable to move? (And please don't say "there's something wrong with them")

    Also mind explaining to me why you think the fact that many of these families are poor is not a legitimate barrier.
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    Re: Camden To Scrap Police Dept Amid Budget Woes

    Quote Originally Posted by MaggieD View Post
    All the moms in my life would live in cardboard boxes before they would subject their children to being shot to death while jumping rope on the front sidewalk. Before they would allow their young sons to be corrupted by a gang mentality and end up dead or in jail before they hit 25. The coppers try to clean up a neighborhood, and people throw rocks at them. Scream police brutality. They should be serving them coffee and donuts. There's something intrinsically wrong with them. I just don't know what it is.
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    Re: Camden To Scrap Police Dept Amid Budget Woes

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    Perhaps you should start looking at the receipts and see if you are getting your dollar's worth. Compare, widget for widget, what the state and local government is paying compared to the going market rate for the same good or service. You might just have a stroke.
    What we're getting is ripped off. One of the most expensive places to live in the country, property taxes which are criminal, additional revenue is generated through traffic tickets, nothing is legal everything costs money and what is there to show for it? New Jersey is the laughing stock of the Republic, we have one of the highest unemployment rates, several of our cities are just dilapidated hell holes that never get fixed, the government is aggressive and draconian, and we have a fat ass POS governor who thinks that yelling and berating makes proper argument and conduct for a politician. If any State of the 50 needs to revolt against their State government, it’s New Jersey.
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    Re: Camden To Scrap Police Dept Amid Budget Woes

    Quote Originally Posted by Ikari View Post
    What we're getting is ripped off. One of the most expensive places to live in the country, property taxes which are criminal, additional revenue is generated through traffic tickets, nothing is legal everything costs money and what is there to show for it? New Jersey is the laughing stock of the Republic, we have one of the highest unemployment rates, several of our cities are just dilapidated hell holes that never get fixed, the government is aggressive and draconian, and we have a fat ass POS governor who thinks that yelling and berating makes proper argument and conduct for a politician. If any State of the 50 needs to revolt against their State government, it’s New Jersey.
    With the amount of tax revenue that NJ (the most densely populated state in the nation) acquires through its resident property tax, sales tax, tollways, casinos, lotteries, etc., etc. it is virtually impossible for NJ to be broke unless there has been runaway looting of the treasury by way of political graft for a good many decades.

    NJ politicians can scapegoat their middle class public employees all they want. This will do NOTHING to fix what is really wrong with NJ. Indeed, it will only allow the looting of the state treasury to continue, looting which has undoubtedly been facilitated through pay-to-play schemes between wealthy upper class benefactors in the private sector and the public officials they bankroll in exchange for the very lucrative state contracts these politicians steer to these benefactors.
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    Re: Camden To Scrap Police Dept Amid Budget Woes

    Quote Originally Posted by Sig View Post
    The salaries for New Jersey employees in just about every arena of employment are higher than that in most every state, with the exception of California and Hawaii.

    Why is that, Maggie?

    Because NJ has the third highest cost of living in the United States. Ergo, NJ employers, including the state and local governments, have to pay a higher salary in order to maintain an adequate work force. But we have already discussed this so please refrain from your continued and deliberate intellectual dishonesty through submitting unqualified statistics in regards to the salaries of police officers in NJ. Your credibility is at stake here.

    One more thing: Just so you know, about the only job more taxing upon the mind and soul than that of an inner-city police officer is that of an oncologist.
    I'm going to ignore all your crap about my intellectual honesty and credibility. If you can't post links to support your position, you are in absolutely no position to talk. Get it?

    The cost of living in the county of Camden, New Jersey is 99.6 compared to an average nationwide of 100, so slightly below average. Camden County, New Jersey detailed profile - houses, real estate, cost of living, wages, work, agriculture, ancestries, and more

    The average salary of a police officer in Newark, NJ (NJ's largest city, which I'm sure has plenty of inner-city problems) is $90,000. The median salary of a police officer in Camden, NJ is, as I've stated, about $80,000. http://www.nj.com/news/index.ssf/201...nk_highes.html

    The median income in Camden NJ is $26,762. Camden, New Jersey (NJ) profile: population, maps, real estate, averages, homes, statistics, relocation, travel, jobs, hospitals, schools, crime, moving, houses, news, sex offenders

    The median income in Newark is $35,963. Newark, New Jersey (NJ) profile: population, maps, real estate, averages, homes, statistics, relocation, travel, jobs, hospitals, schools, crime, moving, houses, news, sex offenders

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    When I type into Google: "Inner city policeman and oncologists" the only thing that comes up is your post. How about a credible link?
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    Re: Camden To Scrap Police Dept Amid Budget Woes

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    Mind explaining to me why you think poor mothers are staying in crime-ridden areas for, if not because they are unable to move? (And please don't say "there's something wrong with them")

    Also mind explaining to me why you think the fact that many of these families are poor is not a legitimate barrier.
    Personally? I think they don't know any better. I think many of them believe that those conditions are "normal." I also think that, like most people in the world, the devil they know is better than the devil they don't. Combine those thinking patterns with how difficult it is to make significant life changes, and I think we probably have a reasonable answer.
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    Re: Camden To Scrap Police Dept Amid Budget Woes

    Quote Originally Posted by MaggieD View Post
    I'm going to ignore all your crap about my intellectual honesty and credibility. If you can't post links to support your position, you are in absolutely no position to talk. Get it?

    The cost of living in the county of Camden, New Jersey is 99.6 compared to an average nationwide of 100, so slightly below average. Camden County, New Jersey detailed profile - houses, real estate, cost of living, wages, work, agriculture, ancestries, and more

    The average salary of a police officer in Newark, NJ (NJ's largest city, which I'm sure has plenty of inner-city problems) is $90,000. The median salary of a police officer in Camden, NJ is, as I've stated, about $80,000. N.J. police salaries rank highest in nation with median pay of $90,672 | NJ.com

    The median income in Camden NJ is $26,762. Camden, New Jersey (NJ) profile: population, maps, real estate, averages, homes, statistics, relocation, travel, jobs, hospitals, schools, crime, moving, houses, news, sex offenders

    The median income in Newark is $35,963. Newark, New Jersey (NJ) profile: population, maps, real estate, averages, homes, statistics, relocation, travel, jobs, hospitals, schools, crime, moving, houses, news, sex offenders

    One cannot get blood out of a turnip.

    When I type into Google: "Inner city policeman and oncologists" the only thing that comes up is your post. How about a credible link?
    Is there some point you are trying to make here, Maggie, other than the fact that you have no shame whatsoever when it comes to submitting misleading statistics? The cost of living in Camden County will vary widely depending upon where exactly one lives in the county. Try comparing the cost of housing in Camden, Camden County with say... the cost of housing in Haddonfield, Camden County. Just the same, the cost of living in Los Angeles County will vary widely depending upon whether one lives in South Central or Beverly Hills.

    The point of the matter is that New Jersey has the third highest cost of living in the United States; thus, wage earnings will, by necessity, be higher in New Jersey than in most other states. If you are going to break this very simple statistic down into minutia, have the decency to at least finish the job.
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