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    Re: Camden To Scrap Police Dept Amid Budget Woes

    Quote Originally Posted by specklebang View Post
    I pretty much agree with your POV about higher pay but modest benefits and no eternal pensions. But my question remains for everyone. How much would be a fair salary for a uniformed police officer? I'm so out of touch with some aspects of society that I don't understand what fair pay is for a profession like this. Trying to learn something.....

    (Remember, I'm retired and get SS+Medicare+a couple of thousand in rental income and other interest. So I "make" about $48K which is far more than I need. I am a busybody angel type so I speend the majority of my income on family and friends but I don't have to "make a living". If I were a cop, I don't have a sense of what would be fair pay.)
    It's as difficult to say "what's fair" to compensate LEOs as it is to say "what's fair" to tax the 1%, don't you think? But here's some food for thought. If danger and injuries is part of the equation (which everyone will certainly say it is), here are some comparisons -- the ten most dangerous jobs in the United States:

    Fishermen. Fatality Rate: 116 per 100,000. Median Wage: $27,880.
    Logger. Fatality Rate: 92 per 100,000. Median Wage: $38,660.
    Airplane Pilot. Fatality Rate: 71 per 100,000. Median Wage: $115,300.
    Farmer/Rancher. Fatality Rate: 41 per 100,000 Median Wage: $65,960.
    Mining Machine Operator.Fatality Rate: 39 per 100,000 Median Wage: $39,950.
    Roofer: Fatality Rate: 32 per 100,000 Median Wage: $37,880
    Sanitation Worker: Fatality Rate: 30 per 100,000 Median Wage: $34,310
    Truck Driver/Delivery Men: Fatality Rate: 22 per 100,000 Median Wage: $35,500
    Industrial Machine Repairman: Fatality Rate: 20 per 100,000 Median Wage: $45,700
    Police Offficer: Fatality Rate: 18 per 100,000 Median Wage: $55,600

    America's most dangerous jobs - The 10 most dangerous jobs in America (1) - CNNMoney

    The median wage of police officers in New Jersey is $90,672. The median wage of LEO's in Camden, New Jersey is $79,656.

    N.J. police salaries rank highest in nation with median pay of $90,672 | NJ.com
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    Re: Camden To Scrap Police Dept Amid Budget Woes

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    Oh, I can pretty much assure you that in Chicago's worst gang-infested neighborhoods it's already just about open carry and a pretty sure bet that every gang member and their wanna be's are packing heat.

    Chicago's weekend of violence:

    9 Dead, 28 Wounded since Friday afternoon. Murders up 30% compared to last year. The Police Chief has an interesting spin on it:



    Christ. Why any sane mother would live with her children in these war zones is beyond me. In these gang hellholes, society is so broken as to be nonsensical. Most of us would be homeless in boxes before we would expose our children to the dangers of these neighborhoods. What is wrong with these women?
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    Re: Camden To Scrap Police Dept Amid Budget Woes

    Quote Originally Posted by MaggieD View Post
    It's as difficult to say "what's fair" to compensate LEOs as it is to say "what's fair" to tax the 1%, don't you think? But here's some food for thought. If danger and injuries is part of the equation (which everyone will certainly say it is), here are some comparisons -- the ten most dangerous jobs in the United States:

    Fishermen. Fatality Rate: 116 per 100,000. Median Wage: $27,880.
    Logger. Fatality Rate: 92 per 100,000. Median Wage: $38,660.
    Airplane Pilot. Fatality Rate: 71 per 100,000. Median Wage: $115,300.
    Farmer/Rancher. Fatality Rate: 41 per 100,000 Median Wage: $65,960.
    Mining Machine Operator.Fatality Rate: 39 per 100,000 Median Wage: $39,950.
    Roofer: Fatality Rate: 32 per 100,000 Median Wage: $37,880
    Sanitation Worker: Fatality Rate: 30 per 100,000 Median Wage: $34,310
    Truck Driver/Delivery Men: Fatality Rate: 22 per 100,000 Median Wage: $35,500
    Industrial Machine Repairman: Fatality Rate: 20 per 100,000 Median Wage: $45,700
    Police Offficer: Fatality Rate: 18 per 100,000 Median Wage: $55,600

    America's most dangerous jobs - The 10 most dangerous jobs in America (1) - CNNMoney

    The median wage of police officers in New Jersey is $90,672. The median wage of LEO's in Camden, New Jersey is $79,656.

    N.J. police salaries rank highest in nation with median pay of $90,672 | NJ.com
    It would seem they are being compensated appropriately. They are just still too exepnsive. They be an unaffordable luxery right now. People gona have to learn to take care of themselves for a change.
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    Re: Camden To Scrap Police Dept Amid Budget Woes

    It seems that a figure of about $60K would be appropriate. I don't know the cost of living in NJ. Certainly, the Camden cops are already very well paid and should not be entitled to retire in 20 years with large pensions.





    Quote Originally Posted by MaggieD View Post
    It's as difficult to say "what's fair" to compensate LEOs as it is to say "what's fair" to tax the 1%, don't you think? But here's some food for thought. If danger and injuries is part of the equation (which everyone will certainly say it is), here are some comparisons -- the ten most dangerous jobs in the United States:

    Fishermen. Fatality Rate: 116 per 100,000. Median Wage: $27,880.
    Logger. Fatality Rate: 92 per 100,000. Median Wage: $38,660.
    Airplane Pilot. Fatality Rate: 71 per 100,000. Median Wage: $115,300.
    Farmer/Rancher. Fatality Rate: 41 per 100,000 Median Wage: $65,960.
    Mining Machine Operator.Fatality Rate: 39 per 100,000 Median Wage: $39,950.
    Roofer: Fatality Rate: 32 per 100,000 Median Wage: $37,880
    Sanitation Worker: Fatality Rate: 30 per 100,000 Median Wage: $34,310
    Truck Driver/Delivery Men: Fatality Rate: 22 per 100,000 Median Wage: $35,500
    Industrial Machine Repairman: Fatality Rate: 20 per 100,000 Median Wage: $45,700
    Police Offficer: Fatality Rate: 18 per 100,000 Median Wage: $55,600

    America's most dangerous jobs - The 10 most dangerous jobs in America (1) - CNNMoney

    The median wage of police officers in New Jersey is $90,672. The median wage of LEO's in Camden, New Jersey is $79,656.

    N.J. police salaries rank highest in nation with median pay of $90,672 | NJ.com

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    Re: Camden To Scrap Police Dept Amid Budget Woes

    Quote Originally Posted by LowDown View Post
    Yah, you could win the argument, but then we'd still be right here at the same place: Out of money. Take all the money the wealthy have and we'd still be out of money, just slightly less deep in debt.

    Warren Buffett has bailed out of his position on municipal bonds. He doesn't expect cities to be able to remain solvent. Because when something can't go on forever it won't.

    Cities have to be cutting spending to match revenues. That can't be done with these union contracts.
    This isn't about taxing the rich. It is about the rich looting the public treasury of the federal, state, and local governments through pay-to-play schemes which enable them to overcharge the government at the expense of the taxpayer, then have the unabashed nerve to turn around and blame the depletion of the treasury on middle class government employees, such as Camden police officers.
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    Re: Camden To Scrap Police Dept Amid Budget Woes

    Ahh good ol' New Jersey. Doing nothing to combat the stereotypes.
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    Re: Camden To Scrap Police Dept Amid Budget Woes

    Quote Originally Posted by MaggieD View Post

    Fortunately, we have competition to deal with what you're talking about.
    No, we don't, not when pay-to-play political corruption stifles real competition for government contracts. This is the point!

    And entrepreneurs always looking for ways to enter the marketplace. Who would you think would enjoy a controlling interest in every major source of news media? Waitresses? And as for that? We have a liberal news media across the board -- who would be deeeelighted to report price fixing and other anti-trust violations.
    A sense of unreality will do you no good, my dear. The liberal news media is obviously much more concerned about such "monumentally important social issues" as gay marriage than they are in price fixing schemes, anti-trust violations, runaway political graft, and the evaporation of the middle class. Why do you think that is?
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    Re: Camden To Scrap Police Dept Amid Budget Woes

    Quote Originally Posted by MaggieD View Post
    That you make poor excuses for why they don't move isn't the answer, Mr Invisible. And doesn't show my ignorance. Many of these poor families are on public assistance. They receive housing allowances where the government pays some, if not all, of their rent. They receive food stamps. They have friends they can double-up with. Many of them have families in other areas of the country.

    Hell, they could move in down the street from me with their family. There's apartments in my neighborhood renting for $900 a month. How much cheaper is their rent? Maybe a few hundred dollars? Most or all being paid by the government?

    They don't want to move. For whatever reason, they don't want to move. They think living in war zones is normal.
    Like I said, your ignorance is showing. I am not making excuses. If you don't have the money to do something, you don't have the money to do something. You are making vast generalizations about people living in these areas. Not everyone has family they can go to, why do you think that when Katrina hit, some people stayed. It was because they had no where else to go. Or is that making excuses for them?
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    Re: Camden To Scrap Police Dept Amid Budget Woes

    Quote Originally Posted by Ikari View Post
    Ahh good ol' New Jersey. Doing nothing to combat the stereotypes.
    Holy crap! What a GREAT idea...they should organize a sitdown with Nicky Mitarotonda...offer him the control of the streets. No pay for his soldiers...but they control the streets....so....hey...if you happen to run a little a dis, and a little a dat...well...no problem...as long as the boys in Newark get a taste. Maybe give em Bayonne too...just to sweeten the pot.

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    Re: Camden To Scrap Police Dept Amid Budget Woes

    Quote Originally Posted by Mr. Invisible View Post
    Like I said, your ignorance is showing. I am not making excuses. If you don't have the money to do something, you don't have the money to do something. You are making vast generalizations about people living in these areas. Not everyone has family they can go to, why do you think that when Katrina hit, some people stayed. It was because they had no where else to go. Or is that making excuses for them?
    All the moms in my life would live in cardboard boxes before they would subject their children to being shot to death while jumping rope on the front sidewalk. Before they would allow their young sons to be corrupted by a gang mentality and end up dead or in jail before they hit 25. The coppers try to clean up a neighborhood, and people throw rocks at them. Scream police brutality. They should be serving them coffee and donuts. There's something intrinsically wrong with them. I just don't know what it is.
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