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    Re: Camden To Scrap Police Dept Amid Budget Woes

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    that, and many areas along our border, and just south of it.


    I don't know about the Natl Guard, but it does seem like we should be putting many of the lessons we have spent the last decade painfully learning about counterinsurgency, and putting them to practice in our worst areas.


    In addition, I repeat my call for the return of public executions, and the streamlining of our court system. Home Boy Who Shot That Dude isn't so tough or cool when everyone get's to see him cry, beg for his life, struggle against the rope, and then crap all over himself.
    Better yet train and arm the Public at large. Crime go way down, especially if you enforce an open carry rule all citzens to be packing heat. Work well with a shoot first, and "Questions? We don need ask no stinkin questions." policy.
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    Re: Camden To Scrap Police Dept Amid Budget Woes

    Quote Originally Posted by specklebang View Post
    How much do you think a police officer should be paid? That's curiosity, not partisanship asking. I await your humble opinions as to what is fair.
    "Paid" =/= "Compensated". Usually it is the pension demands of the public workforces that force localities to make brutal cuts to current workers. Much like teachers, I would argue that we should increase their pay and modernize their benefits away from an industrial - era model. The localities save money, our public servants get paid more money, the only people who get shafted are the union bosses who can no longer dictate what other people will get.

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    Re: Camden To Scrap Police Dept Amid Budget Woes

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    Better yet train and arm the Public at large. Crime go way down, especially if you enforce an open carry rule all citzens to be packing heat.
    my wife hails from Kennesaw Georgia.


    ...KENNESAW, Ga - Several Kennesaw officials attribute a drop in crime in the city over the past two decades to a law that requires residents to have a gun in the house.

    In 1982, the Kennesaw City Council unanimously passed a law requiring heads of households to own at least one firearm with ammunition.

    The ordinance states the gun law is needed to "protect the safety, security and general welfare of the city and its inhabitants."

    Then-councilman J.O. Stephenson said after the ordinance was passed, everyone "went crazy."

    "People all over the country said there would be shootings in the street and violence in homes," he said. "Of course, that wasn't the case."

    In fact, according to Stephenson, it caused the crime rate in the city to plunge.

    Kennesaw Historical Society president Robert Jones said following the law's passage, the crime rate dropped 89 percent in the city, compared to the modest 10 percent drop statewide...

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    Re: Camden To Scrap Police Dept Amid Budget Woes

    Quote Originally Posted by cpwill View Post
    "Paid" =/= "Compensated". Usually it is the pension demands of the public workforces that force localities to make brutal cuts to current workers. Much like teachers, I would argue that we should increase their pay and modernize their benefits away from an industrial - era model. The localities save money, our public servants get paid more money, the only people who get shafted are the union bosses who can no longer dictate what other people will get.
    Time for the people of camden to start taking resposibilty for themselfs I think. Sorry cops cant afford ya. We overspent.
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    Re: Camden To Scrap Police Dept Amid Budget Woes

    Quote Originally Posted by PirateMk1 View Post
    Better yet train and arm the Public at large. Crime go way down, especially if you enforce an open carry rule all citzens to be packing heat. Work well with a shoot first, and "Questions? We don need ask no stinkin questions." policy.
    Oh, I can pretty much assure you that in Chicago's worst gang-infested neighborhoods it's already just about open carry and a pretty sure bet that every gang member and their wanna be's are packing heat.

    Chicago's weekend of violence:

    9 Dead, 28 Wounded since Friday afternoon. Murders up 30% compared to last year. The Police Chief has an interesting spin on it:

    However, McCarthy insisted the perception of rising crime is out of step with the reality revealed by CPD statistics. “Over the first 3 months of the year, we had a 66 percent increase and a 40 percent increase in murders in shootings. And since that time, we’ve knocked those numbers way down to about 30 percent in the murder rate, and about 7 or 8 percent increase in the shooting rate. That’s not what’s being reported. What’s being reported is the whole number of shootings and murders every single day.”
    Christ. Why any sane mother would live with her children in these war zones is beyond me. In these gang hellholes, society is so broken as to be nonsensical. Most of us would be homeless in boxes before we would expose our children to the dangers of these neighborhoods. What is wrong with these women?
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    Re: Camden To Scrap Police Dept Amid Budget Woes

    Quote Originally Posted by MaggieD View Post
    Oh, I can pretty much assure you that in Chicago's worst gang-infested neighborhoods it's already just about open carry and a pretty sure bet that every gang member and their wanna be's are packing heat.

    Chicago's weekend of violence:

    9 Dead, 28 Wounded since Friday afternoon. Murders up 30% compared to last year. The Police Chief has an interesting spin on it:



    Christ. Why any sane mother would live with her children in these war zones is beyond me. In these gang hellholes, society is so broken as to be nonsensical. Most of us would be homeless in boxes before we would expose our children to the dangers of these neighborhoods. What is wrong with these women?
    Once again, your ignorance is showing:

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    And in that post shows your ignorance. You say that "black families don't realize they MUST remove their innocent children from these cesspools." That is completely and utterly foolish. Don't you think that people, no matter what their race, don't want their kids to be in cesspools, but are forced to because they don't have the money to move. I seriously doubt that any parent enjoys having their children live in crime riddled areas. You immediately assume that black families are OK with their kids living in crime-ridden areas rather than thinking about the situation and coming to the conclusion that black families live in crime-ridden areas, not because they like it, but because they have no other choice.

    You state that " Perhaps they think this is a normal state of affairs. It isn't." Please, tell me, do you think that black families living in urban areas are so ignorant that they don't know about any other communities besides theirs? The situation is not seen as a normal state of affairs, this can be shown by the fact that they would have to know about other areas and neighborhoods that aren't like the one they reside in at all, just due to being exposed to things such as the internet and the news.
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    Re: Camden To Scrap Police Dept Amid Budget Woes

    Quote Originally Posted by Mr. Invisible View Post
    Once again, your ignorance is showing:
    That you make poor excuses for why they don't move isn't the answer, Mr Invisible. And doesn't show my ignorance. Many of these poor families are on public assistance. They receive housing allowances where the government pays some, if not all, of their rent. They receive food stamps. They have friends they can double-up with. Many of them have families in other areas of the country.

    Hell, they could move in down the street from me with their family. There's apartments in my neighborhood renting for $900 a month. How much cheaper is their rent? Maybe a few hundred dollars? Most or all being paid by the government?

    They don't want to move. For whatever reason, they don't want to move. They think living in war zones is normal.
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    Re: Camden To Scrap Police Dept Amid Budget Woes

    The fault does not lie with the cops...or teachers...or even their unions. The problem is that the city, state, and federal governments made unfunded promises when they entered into contracts and those contracts are no longer sustainable. Like it...dont like it...I could give a damn. It HAS to change whether you like it or not.

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    Re: Camden To Scrap Police Dept Amid Budget Woes

    Quote Originally Posted by Hatuey View Post
    Ah obviously the way to solve Candem's crime issue is to financially cripple the very people who know the streets of Camden, fire half of them and replace them with rookies. I have no love for cops but this sounds ridiculous.
    LOL - yes, some genius came up with this idea. LOL “The officers who are getting laid off are going to have to be the ones who train their replacements,”

    You've GOT to be kidding me. Oh yes - this will turn out so well.
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    Re: Camden To Scrap Police Dept Amid Budget Woes

    I pretty much agree with your POV about higher pay but modest benefits and no eternal pensions. But my question remains for everyone. How much would be a fair salary for a uniformed police officer? I'm so out of touch with some aspects of society that I don't understand what fair pay is for a profession like this. Trying to learn something.....

    (Remember, I'm retired and get SS+Medicare+a couple of thousand in rental income and other interest. So I "make" about $48K which is far more than I need. I am a busybody angel type so I speend the majority of my income on family and friends but I don't have to "make a living". If I were a cop, I don't have a sense of what would be fair pay.)



    Quote Originally Posted by cpwill View Post
    "Paid" =/= "Compensated". Usually it is the pension demands of the public workforces that force localities to make brutal cuts to current workers. Much like teachers, I would argue that we should increase their pay and modernize their benefits away from an industrial - era model. The localities save money, our public servants get paid more money, the only people who get shafted are the union bosses who can no longer dictate what other people will get.

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