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    Re: All nine wounded in NY shooting hit by police: official

    Quote Originally Posted by Somerville View Post
    I can find lots of pro-gun sites but links to actual studies - uh uh.

    It is Google - with an upper case G, except in the URL - https://www.google.com/
    Ah, so you're a socialist English professor. It is all coming to light, now.

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    Re: All nine wounded in NY shooting hit by police: official

    Quote Originally Posted by bicycleman View Post
    Ah, so you're a socialist English professor. It is all coming to light, now.
    In your dreams, mate - in your dreams.
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    Re: All nine wounded in NY shooting hit by police: official

    Quote Originally Posted by MaggieD View Post
    Or maybe we should actually fire the LEOs who used such poor judgment as to wound 8 civilians. I mean, really, that's pretty pathetic.

    "Where's my union rep??!!!"
    THERE IT GOES!!!!

    Someone is always throwing that FIRE EM FIRE EM FIRE EM argument in there.

    Make a mistake? Fire em
    Something bad happens outside of someone's direct control? Fire em
    Officer farts in public? Fire em
    Officer makes a joke? Fire em.


    And, I guess the whole union rep thing has a point.... I wouldn't know..... We don't use that **** around here.
    "I condemn the ideology of White Supremacy and Nazism. They are thugs, criminals, and repugnant, and are against what I believe to be "The American Way" "
    Thus my obligatory condemnation of White supremacy will now be in every post, lest I be accused of supporting it because I didn't mention it specifically every time I post.

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    Re: All nine wounded in NY shooting hit by police: official

    Quote Originally Posted by DA60 View Post
    Agreed.

    The guy pointed his gun at them sure, but he never fired.

    Then these trigger happy cops fired 16 rounds at the guy and injured 9 civilians.

    These cops should have fired less rounds considering all the people around...even if that puts them in more harms way, imo.

    Serve and protect? Who, themselves? At the expense of civilians?


    Nine by-standers injured by police in New York shooting - YouTube
    When the stress of possibly being killed by someone who points a deadly weapon at you and is 0.2 seconds from ending your life hits you, lets see how many rounds you pump out of a weapon before you realize that you have even been shooting.

    If the barrel is already facing you...... you could be dead in less time than you can even think in.

    This **** ain't the movies.
    "I condemn the ideology of White Supremacy and Nazism. They are thugs, criminals, and repugnant, and are against what I believe to be "The American Way" "
    Thus my obligatory condemnation of White supremacy will now be in every post, lest I be accused of supporting it because I didn't mention it specifically every time I post.

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    Re: All nine wounded in NY shooting hit by police: official

    Quote Originally Posted by herenow1 View Post
    I wonder if they still kept shooting after he went down.
    Sadly it would appear that it is a possibility.

    Nothing like the stress of fear of death that can bring about poor decision making.
    "I condemn the ideology of White Supremacy and Nazism. They are thugs, criminals, and repugnant, and are against what I believe to be "The American Way" "
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    Re: All nine wounded in NY shooting hit by police: official

    Quote Originally Posted by Caine View Post
    When the stress of possibly being killed by someone who points a deadly weapon at you and is 0.2 seconds from ending your life hits you, lets see how many rounds you pump out of a weapon before you realize that you have even been shooting.
    Next time it happens, I'll let you know.


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    Re: All nine wounded in NY shooting hit by police: official

    Quote Originally Posted by Somerville View Post
    When so many Americans have the idea that "Only if I had a gun with me, I could have stopped X from happening", the real world sometimes shows a different reality.
    My pistol doesn't have a 12lb trigger pull, so yes I'm absolutely certain that I'm a better shot than these cops.

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    Re: All nine wounded in NY shooting hit by police: official

    Quote Originally Posted by jamesrage View Post
    I think Bloom-tard needs to order firearms training for his police.
    I think he would be more likely to disarm his police then have them training with evil firearms.
    "I condemn the ideology of White Supremacy and Nazism. They are thugs, criminals, and repugnant, and are against what I believe to be "The American Way" "
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    Re: All nine wounded in NY shooting hit by police: official

    Quote Originally Posted by Caine View Post
    THERE IT GOES!!!!

    Someone is always throwing that FIRE EM FIRE EM FIRE EM argument in there.

    Make a mistake? Fire em
    Something bad happens outside of someone's direct control? Fire em
    Officer farts in public? Fire em
    Officer makes a joke? Fire em.

    And, I guess the whole union rep thing has a point.... I wouldn't know..... We don't use that **** around here.
    I have the utmost respect for LEOs, and that can be evidenced by my posts all over this board, Caine. Honestly, do you not think that wounding 8 people from errant LEO gunfire deserves a close look?
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    Re: All nine wounded in NY shooting hit by police: official

    Bicycle-
    yes I read the article but flipped the numbers, I did it from memory. Still stand by the HUGE differences between a CCW and cop being in a deadly encounter, cop is a walking bill board, the CCW can chose when and if to engage.

    Now where did I say CCWs get their permits so they can kill people? Too many in here make wild claims to argue against. I NEVER said CCWs want to go shooting people, I'd lean the other way if anyway about it. I would say the vast majority of CCWs are ill-prepared to win a shootout. I did ask a few questions about how you practice. Most CCWs showed up at the school unable to cleanly present after an hour's practice back at the dorm. Difference? We were friendly, laughing and giving support along with pointers, very relaxed practice in a climate controlled room.

    Out in the full sun we were abrupt, terse and using 'Drill' voices. We mocked the first student up online in front of the entire class (reserve deputy who had been CCW for over a year as I recall) The rest of the pack had a miserable time attempting to draw and present cleanly. But was done for a reason, practice as you fight, it won't be relaxed and fun. You will have to identify and react cleanly in a face to face encounter (what cops have to do when they are in the situation the 57 year old was)

    Now the examples of effective use of a concealed weapon lean strongly to ambush tactics. I was a grunt, I love TO ambush, hate being IN one...

    Very effective, the badguys have no idea they are in a shootout till hopefully one of them is going down. Works for me, but can't compare to badguy vs cop.

    Now there was a security cam vid posted on an old guy in a interwebz cafe who shoots repeatedly at two bad guys. He missed at least as much as he hit, neither badguy was fatally wounded.

    Not very productive to cite one instance and proclaim it the example of all CCWs, either the one shot one kill or the multiple shots in a cafe.

    Open carry is even rarer, I never saw the usefulness. Doesn't mean I am against it enough to vote to block it. only civilians I have heard of doing so are from your state where a few guys strap on and go to lunch one day a week as a 'show the flag' group meeting. Not doing anything useful.

    Oh and a couple of guys in here who claim they do so in the small towns they go to for supplies up in the NW somewhere.

    Anywho, never said CCWs are wannabee killers, just not well trained and at their best when they have the advantage of ambush, something few uniformed cops ever have. Unless the CCW is in the extremely rare face to face shootout, and yes you should expect to get hit at least once but must stay in the fight, the CCW gets to pick when and if he joins the dance.

    I often wonder how many times a CCW was close by but chose not to play that day, you only here about the very rare successes, never about CCWs refusing to step forward.

    Justa thought

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