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    Re: All nine wounded in NY shooting hit by police: official

    Quote Originally Posted by zstep18 View Post
    Then what's the point in having a firearm to defend yourself?
    If the shooter is shooting at you, and you are defending yourself... That is a differnt thing. The comment was in response to someone saying an armed citizen could have helped the LEO. Once the cops are there, stay the hell out of it.
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    Re: All nine wounded in NY shooting hit by police: official

    Quote Originally Posted by DA60 View Post
    No - look at the video.

    They should have fired less then 16 bullets to kill a guy who did not fire back on a heavily crowded street.
    I agree that they fired too many rounds. But the fact that he never fired has no bearing. He used his gun in a threatening manner and they, justifiably, shot him.
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    Re: All nine wounded in NY shooting hit by police: official

    Quote Originally Posted by Chiefgator View Post
    That is not what I said.

    In a firefight, if you jump in the mix, you are very likely to cause more confusion. In that instance, the police may very well mistake you for an accomplice and turn their fire on you. At the very least, you will distract them and increase the risk for them instead of helping them.

    I actively carry. I fully support the 2nd. But, to draw your weapon and jump in, when the authorities are there, is irresponsible at best.

    It is what you said/wrote, I was simply pointing out that the words you used in your initial post could be construed in the manner I pointed out. Words have meaning - words have different connotations for different folks. When speaking to one another it is much easier to correct misunderstanding, when posting on a forum hitting the POST button sometimes means we 'say' things we don't actually mean to say.
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    Re: All nine wounded in NY shooting hit by police: official

    Quote Originally Posted by Chiefgator View Post
    That is not what I said.

    In a firefight, if you jump in the mix, you are very likely to cause more confusion. In that instance, the police may very well mistake you for an accomplice and turn their fire on you. At the very least, you will distract them and increase the risk for them instead of helping them.

    I actively carry. I fully support the 2nd. But, to draw your weapon and jump in, when the authorities are there, is irresponsible at best.
    There are plenty of notable examples when even law enforcement disagrees with you and praises the actions of armed citizens who come to an officers aid.
    A recent one, for example: Armed Citizens: Armed citizen saves police officer's life

    These NYC officers just appear to be ill-prepared and not adequately trained to deal with the situation they encountered. So much for the "only the police are trained and responsible enough to carry firearms" tripe.
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    Re: All nine wounded in NY shooting hit by police: official

    Quote Originally Posted by theangryamerican View Post
    There are plenty of notable examples when even law enforcement disagrees with you and praises the actions of armed citizens who come to an officers aid.
    A recent one, for example: Armed Citizens: Armed citizen saves police officer's life

    These NYC officers just appear to be ill-prepared and not adequately trained to deal with the situation they encountered. So much for the "only the police are trained and responsible enough to carry firearms" tripe.
    Again. Taking the situation into context, I would certainly agree.
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    Re: All nine wounded in NY shooting hit by police: official

    Quote Originally Posted by Somerville View Post
    It is what you said/wrote, I was simply pointing out that the words you used in your initial post could be construed in the manner I pointed out. Words have meaning - words have different connotations for different folks. When speaking to one another it is much easier to correct misunderstanding, when posting on a forum hitting the POST button sometimes means we 'say' things we don't actually mean to say.
    My error was that I did not quote the comment to which I was responding. With the quote, you would have seen that I was making a specific comment to to other poster.
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    Re: All nine wounded in NY shooting hit by police: official

    Quote Originally Posted by Chiefgator View Post
    My error was that I did not quote the comment to which I was responding. With the quote, you would have seen that I was making a specific comment to to other poster.
    Exactly my point. In conversation this would have been clear - online, not so much.
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    Re: All nine wounded in NY shooting hit by police: official

    Quote Originally Posted by Somerville View Post
    When so many Americans have the idea that "Only if I had a gun with me, I could have stopped X from happening", the real world sometimes shows a different reality.





    NY Daily News


    The killer had one round left in his pistol so it appears to be "suicide by cop" after he committed a murder.

    One of the officers reacts quickly and brings his weapon to bear on the killer, the other one - not so good, his first reaction is to move behind his partner before drawing his pistol. MY point is to bring to everyone's attention the reality that your personal reaction at the moment you realise death is looming before you may not be the reaction you think you will have.

    I think Bloom-tard needs to order firearms training for his police.
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    Re: All nine wounded in NY shooting hit by police: official

    Quote Originally Posted by Somerville View Post
    Goshin wrote


    Can you support your statement with a link or two to some academic study(s)?

    He has personal experience. He doesn't need to show you a link. You, on the other hand seem to be an expert in combat related incidents. So what kind of combat have you experienced?

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    Re: All nine wounded in NY shooting hit by police: official

    Quote Originally Posted by jamesrage View Post
    I think Bloom-tard needs to order firearms training for his police.

    Maybe he should confiscate their guns? They appear to be a menace to passersby.

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