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    Re: All nine wounded in NY shooting hit by police: official

    Quote Originally Posted by DA60 View Post
    Agreed.

    The guy pointed his gun at them sure, but he never fired.

    Then these trigger happy cops fired 16 rounds at the guy and injured 9 civilians.

    These cops should have fired less rounds considering all the people around...even if that puts them in more harms way, imo.

    Serve and protect? Who, themselves? At the expense of civilians?


    Nine by-standers injured by police in New York shooting - YouTube
    In fairness, 16 rounds between two cops isn't really that many. One shot 7 rounds, the other 9. That can occur in less than 10 seconds. The guy raised his weapon at them. Doesn't matter if he actually fired or not. You shoot until the threat is gone. You're kind of Monday morning quarterbacking here.

    The reports coming out that the injuries of the bystanders were fragments from brick and what not in the area put into motion by bullet impacts. I'd agree with you completely if they were just wildly shooting but that doesn't seem to be the case here. At least from the info available.

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    Re: All nine wounded in NY shooting hit by police: official

    Any person that draws a weapon when the cops are engaged with an active shooter, deserves to get shot.
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    Re: All nine wounded in NY shooting hit by police: official

    Quote Originally Posted by Chiefgator View Post
    Any person that draws a weapon when the cops are engaged with an active shooter, deserves to get shot.

    You do realise that you've just said that it would be OK to shoot an innocent person who draws his weapon in an attempt to aid LEOs shooting at a criminal - don't you?
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    Re: All nine wounded in NY shooting hit by police: official

    Quote Originally Posted by Chiefgator View Post
    Any person that draws a weapon when the cops are engaged with an active shooter, deserves to get shot.
    Then what's the point in having a firearm to defend yourself?

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    Re: All nine wounded in NY shooting hit by police: official

    Quote Originally Posted by Somerville View Post
    You do realise that you've just said that it would be OK to shoot an innocent person who draws his weapon in an attempt to aid LEOs shooting at a criminal - don't you?
    Chief said:

    Quote Originally Posted by Chiefgator View Post
    Any person that draws a weapon when the cops are engaged with an active shooter, deserves to get shot.
    I rather think his point may have been that the guy's too stupid to live. I personally can't think of a dumber thing to do when LEO's are in fear of their lives. They aren't robots. And they aren't checkin' for permits. They're trying to stay alive.
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    Re: All nine wounded in NY shooting hit by police: official

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    Re: All nine wounded in NY shooting hit by police: official

    Quote Originally Posted by Chiefgator View Post
    So, you are saying that the cops should have waited until he shot at them to return fire?
    No - look at the video.

    They should have fired less then 16 bullets to kill a guy who did not fire back on a heavily crowded street.

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    Re: All nine wounded in NY shooting hit by police: official

    Quote Originally Posted by DA60 View Post
    No - look at the video.

    They should have fired less then 16 bullets to kill a guy who did not fire back on a heavily crowded street.

    Bing.

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    I'm a good shot but not the best by any means. There are IPSC competitors that could make me look slow and stupid.

    It is very do-able. All it takes is lots of practice and reasonably steady nerves. I faced situations as a cop when the opposition was armed and I had to keep my head and use good judgement, and I did so... it is hardly impossible and while a crowded NY street is a bad place for an exchange of fire it could certainly have been done without directly shooting 3 bystanders if the LEOs were reasonably well trained.

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    Re: All nine wounded in NY shooting hit by police: official

    Quote Originally Posted by Goshin View Post
    I drew my pistol, took careful aim, and fired one shot, crippling it instantly as it ran across my field of view at 24 yards range.
    So what happened to the fox? Since you said it was rabid, I assume you took the carcass for tests. Is that correct?

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    Re: All nine wounded in NY shooting hit by police: official

    Quote Originally Posted by Somerville View Post
    You do realise that you've just said that it would be OK to shoot an innocent person who draws his weapon in an attempt to aid LEOs shooting at a criminal - don't you?
    That is not what I said.

    In a firefight, if you jump in the mix, you are very likely to cause more confusion. In that instance, the police may very well mistake you for an accomplice and turn their fire on you. At the very least, you will distract them and increase the risk for them instead of helping them.

    I actively carry. I fully support the 2nd. But, to draw your weapon and jump in, when the authorities are there, is irresponsible at best.
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