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    Re: Apple Wins $1 Billion as Jury Finds Samsung Violated Patents

    Quote Originally Posted by rathi View Post
    Let me explain how the patent system works in relations to the tech industry. There are currently so many vague BS patents like the ones in this case that it is literally impossible to make a product that doesn't infringe on at least one of them. Since everyone everyone can be sued, you can a system that resembles Mutually Assured Destruction with nuclear weapons. If you sue someone for patent infringement, you will counter-sue you and everyone loses.

    If the jury had ruled with anything approaching consistency on this particular case, Apple would have been held accountable for infringing Samsungs patents and been equally screwed. They took an incredible gamble by asking for a jury trial and could have just as easily found themselves on the wrong side of the verdict. You don't see many patents lawsuits like this because most companies would rather settle than risk billions on an utterly ignorant jury.
    Don't explain to me patent issuing. I WORK with it ever day. Again, Apple didn't win the case because Samsung infringed on the shape of its design but a myriad of other things including software design, appropriation of specific bits of code etc. You're reaching rathi.
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    Re: Apple Wins $1 Billion as Jury Finds Samsung Violated Patents

    Quote Originally Posted by megaprogman View Post
    Google is already going after them.

    And Now Google Sues Apple - Forbes

    The patent wars have begun.
    Half of me is horrified by the bloodshed to come while the other half is waiting for the really unorthodox suing. Imagine Samsung suing McDonald's over a broken patent. I'm sure millions of companies have broken patents somewhere along the line.

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    Re: Apple Wins $1 Billion as Jury Finds Samsung Violated Patents

    Quote Originally Posted by rathi View Post
    Patent USD504889 - Electronic device - Google Patents
    From my link to the patent documents themselves.



    Below the claim, there are a bunch of pictures of a thing rectangle with rounded corners.

    That is the entire patent. It doesn't talk about touchscreens, wifi or anything that could be used to describe an Ipad. It simply covers anything that is electronic and looks like the figures. My claims are entirely accurate and backed with a source to the original documents, you have nothing but bluster.
    It's a design patent. It's not intended to go into the technical details of how it works, it covers only how it looks.

    Some of us don't understand patent law well enough to be making sweeping claims here.

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    Re: Apple Wins $1 Billion as Jury Finds Samsung Violated Patents

    Quote Originally Posted by LowDown View Post
    It's a design patent. It's not intended to go into the technical details of how it works, it covers only how it looks.

    Some of us don't understand patent law well enough to be making sweeping claims here.
    His claim is laughable on its face. Apple didn't win the suit because Samsung created a tablet that looked just like it. If that were so Apple would have a field day with RIM, HP, Microsoft and pretty much anybody currently involved in the tablet market. It won the suit because Samsung infringed on the technological aspects of their design. Rathi either doesn't get how patents work or he's diminishing the actual infringement in order to justify his anti-Apple rant.
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    Re: Apple Wins $1 Billion as Jury Finds Samsung Violated Patents

    Quote Originally Posted by Hatuey View Post
    His claim is laughable on its face. Apple didn't win the suit because Samsung created a tablet that looked just like it. If that were so Apple would have a field day with RIM, HP, Microsoft and pretty much anybody currently involved in the tablet market. It won the suit because Samsung infringed on the technological aspects of their design. Rathi either doesn't get how patents work or he's diminishing the actual infringement in order to justify his anti-Apple rant.
    Why would apple sue people that licensed patents from them?
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    Re: Apple Wins $1 Billion as Jury Finds Samsung Violated Patents

    Quote Originally Posted by Hatuey View Post
    Don't explain to me patent issuing. I WORK with it ever day. Again, Apple didn't win the case because Samsung infringed on the shape of its design but a myriad of other things including software design, appropriation of specific bits of code etc. You're reaching rathi.
    You are simply making stuff up.

    Here is the jury verdict.
    Document: Apple-Samsung jury verdict form - SiliconValley.com

    The entire trial was on patent infringement, there is no charge of Samsung stealing any specific bits of Apple code. All of the apples patents involved in the case involved either ornamental design of a physical device or the user interface.

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    Re: Apple Wins $1 Billion as Jury Finds Samsung Violated Patents

    Quote Originally Posted by Hatuey View Post
    His claim is laughable on its face. Apple didn't win the suit because Samsung created a tablet that looked just like it. If that were so Apple would have a field day with RIM, HP, Microsoft and pretty much anybody currently involved in the tablet market. It won the suit because Samsung infringed on the technological aspects of their design. Rathi either doesn't get how patents work or he's diminishing the actual infringement in order to justify his anti-Apple rant.
    You have bought into a narrative into which the case involved a good guy and bad guy and the goal of the trial is figure out who is who. The truth is that both Apple and Samsung made patent claims that were full of crap when they should have settled this out of court. My biggest complaint with the jury is that upheld said bull**** patents for both sides. That they were utterly inconsistent in deciding who was infringing is also unacceptable, but I would have the same complaint if Samsung had come out ahead.

    Probably the stupidest thing the jury did was actually in Samsungs favor. After upholding the thin rectangular electronic device patent, they decided that the Samsung galaxy tablet was not infringing it. Even a complete idiot can tell that the galaxy obviously looks exactly the figure drawn on the patent form.

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    Re: Apple Wins $1 Billion as Jury Finds Samsung Violated Patents

    A Japanese court has now ruled for Samsung against Apple. That makes on mixed ruling from Korea, a win for Apple in the USA and a win for Samsung in Japan.

    Of course, as they mess around China is going to copy all of everything and sell versions for 1/2 price that last only a few months before they break and you have to buy a replacement.

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    Re: Apple Wins $1 Billion as Jury Finds Samsung Violated Patents

    Quote Originally Posted by JohnWOlin View Post
    I saw someone put something about Samsung making the better product and chuckled a bit. Either way what kind of tool is going to defend either one? Obviously quite a few.
    I don't care who wins, i just want good product for a reasonable price

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    Re: Apple Wins $1 Billion as Jury Finds Samsung Violated Patents

    Quote Originally Posted by Arbo View Post
    Apple Wins $1 Billion as Jury Finds Samsung Violated Patents - US Business News - CNBC



    They are going to try to get an injunction to stop sales of Samsungs equipment. And appear to be going after Google/Android next.

    It makes me wish I never bought an iMac. Greedy, monopolistic company, nothing more. I will never own another Apple product.
    So Apple should just let their competitors make money off of Apple's patents, and Samsung should be able to to whatever the hell they want?
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