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    Re: Apple Wins $1 Billion as Jury Finds Samsung Violated Patents

    The US government issues patents because we the people feel that people who put time, effort, and resources into designing and making a device are entitled to exclusively reap the profits from it's sales, if any, for a time. This is done to encourage innovation, and it has served us well over the years. If a patent is issued it's government certification that the product is novel and original. The idea that the patents were somehow defective is not credible on its face.

    As for the problems inherent in submitting complex technical questions to a jury of 12 schmoes off the street, it's the system Apple and Samsung have chosen to use rather than, for example, coming to some sort of agreement.

    Apple was in as much danger of getting anti-Apple jurors in that venue. Apple, Inc., has tended to run roughshod over the local community when it comes to issues like taxes and so on.

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    Re: Apple Wins $1 Billion as Jury Finds Samsung Violated Patents

    Quote Originally Posted by LowDown View Post
    Apple was in as much danger of getting anti-Apple jurors in that venue. Apple, Inc., has tended to run roughshod over the local community when it comes to issues like taxes and so on.
    Bull****. Apple is the biggest employer and taxpayer in the community... they would always get a pro-Apple jury.
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    Re: Apple Wins $1 Billion as Jury Finds Samsung Violated Patents

    So i took a look at Samsung's patent claims as well:

    I'm going to have to modify my earlier statement, as the jury had a reasonable argument in pointing at that apple was not infringing on the Samsung wireless patents using the doctrine of patent exhaustion. Apple was using Samsung's patented technology, but the license Samsung sold to Intel for the hardware bought by apple is essentially transferred and nullifies any claim.

    The Juries choice of upholding Samsungs design patents and then deciding that apple was not infringing on them was moronic. The design patents definitely failed the obviousness test and should have been struck down, especially the one about playing music in the backround while multitasking. Apple was clearly infringing on two of the design patents, and if you hold the doctrine of equivalency so did the third.

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    Re: Apple Wins $1 Billion as Jury Finds Samsung Violated Patents

    Quote Originally Posted by rathi View Post
    The patent doesn't cover the ipad, it covers any electronic device than is a thin rectangle with rounded corners. That is not only ****ing obvious to even a complete idiot, it also has plenty of prior art. You are also wrong about the need to be obvious to non-technological people, as federal law defines the standard for someone with "ordinary skill in the art" or an average level of knowledge and training in the field.
    Either you don't know how to read patents or you clearly are lying. Which one is it?
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    Re: Apple Wins $1 Billion as Jury Finds Samsung Violated Patents

    Quote Originally Posted by megaprogman View Post
    Google is already going after them.

    And Now Google Sues Apple - Forbes

    The patent wars have begun.
    Christ this sounds like Star Wars Episode II.

    But seriously, Samsung is going to hit back, and Google is too. I'm sure there will be some quite comical price manipulations in the near future.

    I like Android, but that's because I can sit down, fire up Eclipse, and make my own apps. Objective C is truly a terrible language.

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    Re: Apple Wins $1 Billion as Jury Finds Samsung Violated Patents

    Quote Originally Posted by Hatuey View Post
    Either you don't know how to read patents or you clearly are lying. Which one is it?
    Patent USD504889 - Electronic device - Google Patents
    From my link to the patent documents themselves.

    We claim the ornamental design for an electronic device substantially as shown and described
    Below the claim, there are a bunch of pictures of a thing rectangle with rounded corners.

    That is the entire patent. It doesn't talk about touchscreens, wifi or anything that could be used to describe an Ipad. It simply covers anything that is electronic and looks like the figures. My claims are entirely accurate and backed with a source to the original documents, you have nothing but bluster.

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    Re: Apple Wins $1 Billion as Jury Finds Samsung Violated Patents

    Quote Originally Posted by rathi View Post
    Patent USD504889 - Electronic device - Google Patents
    From my link to the patent documents themselves.

    Below the claim, there are a bunch of pictures of a thing rectangle with rounded corners.

    That is the entire patent. It doesn't talk about touchscreens, computers, wifi or anything that could be used to describe an Ipad. It simply covers anything that is electronic and looks like the figures. My claims are entirely accurate and backed with a source to the original documents, you have nothing but bluster.
    Yes, now look at the device + usage in comparison to what you claimed:

    The patent doesn't cover the ipad, it covers any electronic device than is a thin rectangle with rounded corners.
    That's clearly not true. Otherwise Apple to be able to sue Texas Instruments for making calculators.
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    Re: Apple Wins $1 Billion as Jury Finds Samsung Violated Patents

    Quote Originally Posted by Hatuey View Post
    Yes, now look at the device + usage in comparison to what you claimed:



    That's clearly not true. Otherwise Apple to be able to sue Texas Instruments for making calculators.
    The only reason apple can't sue Texas Instruments is because they haven't updated their designs in 20 years.

    However, the slick new design in the link below could easily get sued.
    Amazon.com: Neewer Transparent Efficient Handy Solar Power Touch Screen Calculator New (Qty: 3): Electronics

    You are correct that my description of the patent description leads to entirely ridiculous scenarios, not because I am wrong, but because the patent itself is horribly broken. The jury didn't foul up by ruling in favor of Apple, but because they validated patents from both Samsung and Apple that are so vague that you could sue nearly anyone.

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    Re: Apple Wins $1 Billion as Jury Finds Samsung Violated Patents

    Quote Originally Posted by rathi View Post
    The only reason apple can't sue Texas Instruments is because they haven't updated their designs in 20 years.
    That's absolute nonsense. Why isn't Apple suing RIM? Why isn't it suing HP? Again - all of them have tablets - the only one Apple has an issue with is Samsung's which clearly does infringe beyond the obvious on Apple's technology.
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    Re: Apple Wins $1 Billion as Jury Finds Samsung Violated Patents

    Quote Originally Posted by Hatuey View Post
    That's absolute nonsense. Why isn't Apple suing RIM? Why isn't it suing HP? Again - all of them have tablets - the only one Apple has an issue with is Samsung's which clearly does infringe beyond the obvious on Apple's technology.
    Let me explain how the patent system works in relations to the tech industry. There are currently so many vague BS patents like the ones in this case that it is literally impossible to make a product that doesn't infringe on at least one of them. Since everyone everyone can be sued, you can a system that resembles Mutually Assured Destruction with nuclear weapons. If you sue someone for patent infringement, you will counter-sue you and everyone loses.

    If the jury had ruled with anything approaching consistency on this particular case, Apple would have been held accountable for infringing Samsungs patents and been equally screwed. They took an incredible gamble by asking for a jury trial and could have just as easily found themselves on the wrong side of the verdict. You don't see many patents lawsuits like this because most companies would rather settle than risk billions on an utterly ignorant jury.

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