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Christian Woman Fired from Burger King for Wearing Skirt Instead of Pants

ChrisL said:
Probably not, as that would be health code violation. LOL! But geesh, I wonder what is more important? Health code violations or freedom to express your religious beliefs at the workplace?
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That's a conundrum. Me, too. Wonder which would be the forerunner?
 
rocket88 said:
Every BK franchise may be a bit different.

I tend to think that wearing a skirt is not an unreasonable accomodation. It's not like she's a Hindu and has religious objections to cooking or serving beef. That would be unreasonable given that beef is BK's core business.
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How about a Skih wearing a turban? Or a Muslim fundamentalist wearing a burkha? Both would have to be accommodated, as well.
 
So, I guess that means we'll have to let the Pastafarians wear their spaghetti strainer hats too. Nice. Why would a business even bother with a dress code when they have to make all kinds of silly exceptions?
 
Cephus said:
I was responding to something that specifically said the First Amendment.
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Which I wrote. Then, during the process of thought and discussion, it swelled into Title VII and went from there. Discussions are truly remarkable ways of uncovering more and more information.
 
ChrisL said:
So, I guess that means we'll have to let the Pastafarians wear their spaghetti strainer hats too. Nice. Why would a business even bother with a dress code when they have to make all kinds of silly exceptions?
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Great question.

Mormons would need to have their magic underwear and would they have to be accommodated in handing out their bible with every large order of fries?
 
Muddy Creek said:
I'm pretty sure that the rest of the story validates my point that she said it was and it's turning out to be just that.
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Except that the story also says that the person who fired her, the orientation instructor, fired her without knowing that it was for religious reasons that she wore the dress when he fired her.
 
Muddy Creek said:
Right....and those are based on the laws under Title VII with regard to discrimination.
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The law itself is in violation of the 1st amendment...

Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof
 
Kal'Stang said:
Except that the story also says that the person who fired her, the orientation instructor, fired her without knowing that it was for religious reasons that she wore the dress when he fired her.
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Saw that. So we are left to not know if the girl told her it was for religious reasons or not.

BTW, given these laws were made in 1964, I guess we can all thank the democrats for religious freedom in this nation.
 
Kal'Stang said:
The law itself is in violation of the 1st amendment...

Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof
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How do you figure? Could you expand on that more? Interesting.
 
Muddy Creek said:
How about a Skih wearing a turban? Or a Muslim fundamentalist wearing a burkha? Both would have to be accommodated, as well.
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I once worked in a restaurant kitchen with a Sikh. His turban was not an issue at all, especially since we were all required to wear some kind of hat.

A fundamentalist Muslim woman would already be in violation of her religion by getting a job where she would be in the company of men who are not her family. So...can't see where that would come up.

Target here in Minnesota has many Muslim women working there. They simply wear a red headscarf and it's fine. Most of them also do not work in a capacity where they would be required to handle pork. It's quite simply not a problem 99% of the time.
 
Muddy Creek said:
How do you figure? Could you expand on that more? Interesting.
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Who enacted Title VII? Congress. Whats the bold/underlined part that I quoted from the 1st Amendment? "shall make no law". Seems pretty obvious to me.
 
Muddy Creek said:
That's a conundrum. Me, too. Wonder which would be the forerunner?
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I would hope health code violations. No offense to your nudity religion, but I don't want naked people to serve my food to me. ;)
 
Kal'Stang said:
Except that the story also says that the person who fired her, the orientation instructor, fired her without knowing that it was for religious reasons that she wore the dress when he fired her.
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Given that, couldn't they have just hired her back and avoided the whole problem to begin with?
 
Kal'Stang said:
Who enacted Title VII? Congress. Whats the bold/underlined part that I quoted from the 1st Amendment? "shall make no law". Seems pretty obvious to me.
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That's interesting! But obviously out government does pretty much whatever it wants to using loop holes and other shady methods. This is probably okay because it is not really supporting one religion over another; it is simply about religious "discrimination" (which I don't consider this particular case to be at all).
 
rocket88 said:
Given that, couldn't they have just hired her back and avoided the whole problem to begin with?
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Did they actually even fire her. I thought they just told her to go home and change into pants when she showed up for orientation. Did she even actually work there?
 
rocket88 said:
Given that, couldn't they have just hired her back and avoided the whole problem to begin with?
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Did she give them a chance to?

But honestly I still believe that it is wrong morally to require any buisness to accomodate any persons religious beliefs. Yes no buisness should not hire someone because of thier belief, but they shouldn't have to accomodate thier beliefs.
 
I pos over and over again my thoughts on professionalism - where I've gone after people who wear braids and people who have afros and everyone still thinks this is an attack on this dumb bitch's religion and not her complete lack of professionalism. I'm hurt people.
 
ChrisL said:
Did they actually even fire her. I thought they just told her to go home and change into pants when she showed up for orientation. Did she even actually work there?
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I am just assuming they fired her. That is actually a good question. DID they fire her or did she just not show up for work because she didn't want to comply with the dress code? Did she even attempt to work things out before running to the EEOC?
 
lizzie said:
Yes. They would. And I see no problem with that.
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And what about the magical panties and the pastafarian strainer hats? :mrgreen:
 
rocket88 said:
Given that, couldn't they have just hired her back and avoided the whole problem to begin with?
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The incident happened around two years ago. I doubt they were even considering that there could have been a problem.
 
ChrisL said:
That's interesting! But obviously out government does pretty much whatever it wants to using loop holes and other shady methods. This is probably okay because it is not really supporting one religion over another; it is simply about religious "discrimination" (which I don't consider this particular case to be at all).
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The fact that Title VII was suppose to be something "good" or helpful is actually irrelevent. You gotta accept the bad with the good in any law.
 
lizzie said:
The incident happened around two years ago. I doubt they were even considering that there could have been a problem.
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Two YEARS ago?
 
lizzie said:
Well, I wear magical panties, but I just don't divulge that to my employer. ;)
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I am also a proud member of the Magical Panties religion. :2razz:
 
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