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    Re: Christian Woman Fired from Burger King for Wearing Skirt Instead of Pants

    Quote Originally Posted by justabubba View Post
    let me help you out, then

    the pentecost woman cannot wear pants and also be consistent with the teachings of her G_d as she understands them to be
    burger king insists that she wear pants
    so, now she is placed in a position where she must decide to obey burger king or her G_d
    burger king cannot unreasonably place her in that position to have to choose between the two
    They aren't. She can get a job elsewhere. Nobody disrespected her or her religion. As a business owner (for clarification, I am not), if I chose to have my employees where a uniform because I want to AVOID situations like this, that should be my right. If she cannot abide by the dress code, she can apply for employment at a business that does not have a dress code. Simple. It's not like Burger King is the creme de la creme of jobs anyway.

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    Re: Christian Woman Fired from Burger King for Wearing Skirt Instead of Pants

    Quote Originally Posted by Connery View Post
    It was a religious practice, observance or belief for which BK acted to the detriment of the woman..
    IMO, this was a simple miscommunication and not discrimination.

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    Re: Christian Woman Fired from Burger King for Wearing Skirt Instead of Pants

    Quote Originally Posted by cpwill View Post
    You are conflating two different points.

    1. I realize this might be a violation of the EEOC

    2. That does not mean that this womans' RIGHTS were violated. You do not receive your rights from the government.
    What I am doing is applying the facts to the law and determining that there is a violation of a law for which BK is duty bound to comply with.

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    Re: Christian Woman Fired from Burger King for Wearing Skirt Instead of Pants

    Quote Originally Posted by ChrisL View Post
    IMO, this was a simple miscommunication and not discrimination.
    Then BK has responded since they refused to respond previoulsy and has published a position statement. If so, please post the link.

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    Re: Christian Woman Fired from Burger King for Wearing Skirt Instead of Pants

    Quote Originally Posted by Connery View Post
    Then BK has responded since they refused to respond previoulsy and has published a position statement. If so, please post the link.
    Hence the words "in my opinion." LOL!

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    Re: Christian Woman Fired from Burger King for Wearing Skirt Instead of Pants

    Quote Originally Posted by Connery View Post
    What I am doing is applying the facts to the law and determining that there is a violation of a law for which BK is duty bound to comply with.
    BK did not violate any of her rights. She was not refused employment based on her religious beliefs. Have you tried a neutrality test?

    1. Atheist refuses to wear pants.

    2. Muslim refuses to wear pants.

    3. Blonde refuses to wear pants.

    4. Man refuses to wear pants.

    5. Agnostic refuses to wear pants.

    6. Paris Hilton refuses.....error...never mind.

    7. Catholic refuses to wear pants.

    8. Confused agnostic refuses to wear pants.

    BK would give the same reaction in every single situation thus proving the discrimination is not based upon her personal religious beliefs.
    My main function as a Christian is to be the biggest possible jerk as a demonstration of the awe found in God's Grace and Forgiveness. (That love part comes in to play at some point)

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    Re: Christian Woman Fired from Burger King for Wearing Skirt Instead of Pants

    Quote Originally Posted by ChrisL View Post
    They aren't.
    but they actually are
    she can follow her religious teachings and not wear pants
    or she can wear pants and work at burger king
    but she cannot adhere to her religious beliefs and work at burger king
    that's what makes it discriminatory
    no different than burger king insisting that only white employees could work there ... because as you would want to insist, burger king has a right to have the employees it chooses to have. the white ones

    She can get a job elsewhere.
    yes. the employer could also say - as you would have us believe - that it only hires white employees
    those who are non-white should have to look elsewhere for a job

    Nobody disrespected her or her religion.
    other than to say that she must quit conforming to her religious practices - not wearing pants - if she wanted to work at burger king

    As a business owner (for clarification, I am not), if I chose to have my employees where a uniform because I want to AVOID situations like this, that should be my right.
    which is the same thing as saying if as a business owner you wanted to AVOID any racial tension in your store you should have the right to only hire white people
    and you would be just as wrong in that position

    If she cannot abide by the dress code, she can apply for employment at a business that does not have a dress code.
    and if the need for adherence to that dress code is so compelling that burger king cannot reasonably make an exception to accommodate the employee's religious teachings, then she cannot legitimately be employed by burger king and must seek employment elsewhere
    which brings us to the present circumstance. burger king gets to show the court why it would be unreasonable for it to allow the woman to wear a long skirt instead of pants
    if they can make that argument stand before the court, then they will prevail
    if they cannot, they will pay this woman a substantial amount for their failure to accommodate her religious beliefs as is required by federal law

    Simple.
    Einstein advised us to make things as simple as possible, but NOT simpler
    in my estimation, you are attempting to make a nuanced situation simpler than it actually is
    in support of my belief i point you to the law suit that will go before the court for a finding to be made. if this matter were so simple, after the EEOC investigation and conclusion to file suit on behalf of the employee, i do not believe it would now be a matter for the court to resolve
    the court is not the place for the resolution of "simple" matters ... again, that is my opinion

    It's not like Burger King is the creme de la creme of jobs anyway.
    but as an employer, one that is less than a first tier employer, it must adhere to the federal laws which govern non-discrimination
    doesn't matter how crappy those jobs may be
    we are negotiating about dividing a pizza and in the meantime israel is eating it
    once you're over the hill you begin to pick up speed

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    Re: Christian Woman Fired from Burger King for Wearing Skirt Instead of Pants

    Quote Originally Posted by justabubba View Post
    but they actually are
    she can follow her religious teachings and not wear pants
    or she can wear pants and work at burger king
    but she cannot adhere to her religious beliefs and work at burger king
    that's what makes it discriminatory
    no different than burger king insisting that only white employees could work there ... because as you would want to insist, burger king has a right to have the employees it chooses to have. the white ones


    yes. the employer could also say - as you would have us believe - that it only hires white employees
    those who are non-white should have to look elsewhere for a job


    other than to say that she must quit conforming to her religious practices - not wearing pants - if she wanted to work at burger king


    which is the same thing as saying if as a business owner you wanted to AVOID any racial tension in your store you should have the right to only hire white people
    and you would be just as wrong in that position


    and if the need for adherence to that dress code is so compelling that burger king cannot reasonably make an exception to accommodate the employee's religious teachings, then she cannot legitimately be employed by burger king and must seek employment elsewhere
    which brings us to the present circumstance. burger king gets to show the court why it would be unreasonable for it to allow the woman to wear a long skirt instead of pants
    if they can make that argument stand before the court, then they will prevail
    if they cannot, they will pay this woman a substantial amount for their failure to accommodate her religious beliefs as is required by federal law


    Einstein advised us to make things as simple as possible, but NOT simpler
    in my estimation, you are attempting to make a nuanced situation simpler than it actually is
    in support of my belief i point you to the law suit that will go before the court for a finding to be made. if this matter were so simple, after the EEOC investigation and conclusion to file suit on behalf of the employee, i do not believe it would now be a matter for the court to resolve
    the court is not the place for the resolution of "simple" matters ... again, that is my opinion


    but as an employer, one that is less than a first tier employer, it must adhere to the federal laws which govern non-discrimination
    doesn't matter how crappy those jobs may be
    What you're referring to now is racism. That is completely different than not allowing someone to wear a skirt at work and requiring that ALL employees wear the same uniform. Nobody is being treated any more or less than equal IMO.

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    Re: Christian Woman Fired from Burger King for Wearing Skirt Instead of Pants

    Quote Originally Posted by Thorgasm View Post
    So now you are against someone practicing their religious beliefs?
    How do you equate what he said with what you said? Or do you believe that all buisnesses are against practicing religion?
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    Re: Christian Woman Fired from Burger King for Wearing Skirt Instead of Pants

    Quote Originally Posted by Thorgasm View Post
    Both are fine.
    Not according to what you said.

    Quote Originally Posted by Thorgasm View Post
    No, it's not an all or nothing deal. And yes, reasonable accommodations are applied equally.
    For the way the law is framed yes it is.

    Now, whats reasonable to you? Would (to use an example from another poster) a Pastafarian be allowed to wear their strainer hat? Or how about the guy that has all those rings pictured in a previous post? How about a Satanic religion...are those covered?
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