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    Re: Christian Woman Fired from Burger King for Wearing Skirt Instead of Pants

    Quote Originally Posted by Connery View Post
    I have cited this case, the facts, the press release by the EEOC, the law, the damage award, the investigative process required by law of the EEOC and the right and responsibilities of the parties during the investigative process in numerous posts. I respectfully request that you search my posts herein should you wish to gather that information and discuss my position.
    Don't need to. I went to the ACLU and the ACLJ site and found what I needed. Seems I worked the shortcuts.
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    Re: Christian Woman Fired from Burger King for Wearing Skirt Instead of Pants

    Quote Originally Posted by nota bene View Post
    Does BK have a requirement that pants must be worn? All I've found so far is their non-skid shoes requirement.
    Same here. That is all I've been able to find on multiple google searches.
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    Re: Christian Woman Fired from Burger King for Wearing Skirt Instead of Pants

    Quote Originally Posted by ChrisL View Post
    I don't think "clothing" should be a constitutional guarantee when it comes to employment. If the employer has a dress code, there is usually a good reason for it. I don't think business just have dress codes and buy uniforms for their employees for the fun of it. IMO, a business should not have to cater to a person's religious beliefs in this way, and if they have a dress code, everyone should have to follow it (unless there are medical reasons), or find another job. I'm sorry, but I don't feel sorry for her. I just don't.
    If BK was not required to comply with Title VII this would not have been an issue; many businesses are not required to. The wearing of the clothing is a religious obsernace within the meaning of Title VII and is a protected activity.

    Regardless of how the observer fells about this person and her activity is a non-issue.

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    Re: Christian Woman Fired from Burger King for Wearing Skirt Instead of Pants

    What is Burger King uniform colors

    Answer:
    The new Burger King uniforms consist of


    Managers must wear:

    Black/Red/Khaki/White dickies-style button down dress shirts, black pants and black slip-resistant shoes.



    Crew members must wear :

    black burger king polos with red and beige stripes and a burger king visor/baseball cap with black pants and black slip-resistant shoes.


    All shirts worn MUST be given by burger king and are produced via King Uniforms.


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    Re: Christian Woman Fired from Burger King for Wearing Skirt Instead of Pants

    It seems like a clear violation of the law to me, unless they can show undue hardship.

    The equal employment law itself is, of course, an illegitimate infringement on the rights of private businesses. Absurd results like this are the inevitable consequence of such unjust laws.

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    Re: Christian Woman Fired from Burger King for Wearing Skirt Instead of Pants

    I read the article again, and then I read a couple of other articles about it, and no where does it state that according to her religion she has to wear "skirt." It simply states she has to wear "women's" clothes, and women's pants would fall under the description of "women's" clothes, and I do believe that Burger King would have given her a pair of women's pants to wear; therefore, BK is NOT making her wear men's clothing. So, is she making up her own rules here?

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    Re: Christian Woman Fired from Burger King for Wearing Skirt Instead of Pants

    Quote Originally Posted by ChrisL View Post
    I read the article again, and then I read a couple of other articles about it, and no where does it state that according to her religion she has to wear "skirt." It simply states she has to wear "women's" clothes, and women's pants would fall under the description of "women's" clothes, and I do believe that Burger King would have given her a pair of women's pants to wear; therefore, BK is NOT making her wear men's clothing. So, is she making up her own rules here?
    No, she isn't. Pentecostals (and even some Baptists) believe that women should not wear pants of any kind.
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    Re: Christian Woman Fired from Burger King for Wearing Skirt Instead of Pants

    Quote Originally Posted by Muddy Creek View Post
    Thanks. Man, am I embarrassed. Shoulda read the article.

    Well, it would appear as though a manager would have interviewed her. Seems to be a leg to stand on here, then, doesn't it?
    That's exactly the point I made, that she was told specifically by a manager, representing the company, that she could wear a skirt. This really isn't about religious accomodationism, it's about management telling a potential employee that she could violate the dress code and hiring her knowing full well she was going to. You can't tell a person something, then turn around and tell them something else and go "ha ha, fooled you!"
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    Re: Christian Woman Fired from Burger King for Wearing Skirt Instead of Pants

    Quote Originally Posted by Connery View Post
    Why are those opposed to this woman religious observance and the EEOC"s lawsuit so hard bitten if this woman gets some monetary award. It will not be much in back wages and she will be taxed like anyone for punitive damages or emotional distress. This woman and everyone else has a Constitutionally protected right in freedom of religion and Title VII merely insures that without breaching the Establishment clause. Hypothetically, if the reverse happened where BK was forcing this woman to wear a "habit" or a male to get circumcised in order to work because BK observed one religion or another The same people would be citing these constitutional guarantees.
    The BoR's only applies to the government, not the citizens of the government. The fact that they made a law (Title VII) regarding religion is actually against the Constitution.

    And No, I would not be citing the Constitutional guarantee's because again, the BoR only applies to the Government. Not the citizens.
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    Re: Christian Woman Fired from Burger King for Wearing Skirt Instead of Pants

    Quote Originally Posted by ChrisL View Post
    I get the feeling the girl is looking for a payday. I don't know how much this would effect anything politically, but what do I know?
    Oh, she'll get a certain amount and her lawyers will take a majority of it. The only one getting a payday here is the law firm.
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