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    Re: Christian Woman Fired from Burger King for Wearing Skirt Instead of Pants

    Quote Originally Posted by cpwill View Post

    On the contrary. Not only does my place of work specifically demand what pants, undershirt, shirt, socks, hat, and shoes I wear on any given day, it demands that I shave my face every morning and maintain a certain length of hair. Furthermore, if I refuse to do these things not only do they retain the right to fire me, they retain the right to throw me in jail. Ditto for working on Sunday.



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    Holy crap, Will, you're in the MILITARY.... whole different kettle of fish...

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    Re: Christian Woman Fired from Burger King for Wearing Skirt Instead of Pants

    Quote Originally Posted by Muddy Creek View Post
    So, is the woman saying she did not know what the dress code was before she accepted to the terms of the job? Or is she just trying to make this into one more lame "religious persecution" idea?

    Seems to me, you work in the corporate world, you abide by the corporate world rules.
    According to the EEOC link, the girl was told during an interview, that she could wear long skirts, rather than the BK dress code pants, then when she went for orientation, she was told to leave.
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    Re: Christian Woman Fired from Burger King for Wearing Skirt Instead of Pants

    Quote Originally Posted by lizzie View Post
    According to the EEOC link, the girl was told during an interview, that she could wear long skirts, rather than the BK dress code pants, then when she went for orientation, she was told to leave.

    Thanks. Man, am I embarrassed. Shoulda read the article.

    Well, it would appear as though a manager would have interviewed her. Seems to be a leg to stand on here, then, doesn't it?
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    Re: Christian Woman Fired from Burger King for Wearing Skirt Instead of Pants

    Quote Originally Posted by lizzie View Post
    According to the EEOC link, the girl was told during an interview, that she could wear long skirts, rather than the BK dress code pants, then when she went for orientation, she was told to leave.
    Then again, this sounds a bit like a set-up. She didn't mention the other employee, just that

    But when she arrived for orientation, another store management told her that she could not wear a skirt "and that she had to leave the store," in spite of her explaining that there was a religious issue at stake,
    Seems as though this was a set-up again.
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    Re: Christian Woman Fired from Burger King for Wearing Skirt Instead of Pants

    Quote Originally Posted by cpwill View Post
    You do not have the right to force others to give you things. This woman has no right to force BK to accommodate her religious beliefs. BK is not going to her house and restraining her from attending worship, praying as she pleases, or preaching as she pleases. They are simply saying that part of the job at Burger King is wearing pants, the woman is free to take or leave it as she pleases, and from that freedom of action that is left to her we can draw the conclusion that her liberties are not being infringed.



    I agree. And I think that they should, or at the very least should go out of their way to apologize profusely and profoundly and offer one heckuva separation package. But Burger King has the right to be stupid, if they choose.



    No, they are forcing them to choose between their conscience and taking a job that would require them to violate it. I am not upset that Chip-n-Dales refuses to hire me as a stripper simply because I would not take my clothes off in front of a woman other than my wife. Taking that job would require me to violate my conscience and so I do not seek it. And Chip-N-Dales would not be violating my rights if I did take that job and was then fired for refusing to perform. The action I object to is what they are paying me to do - for me to take their money and refuse to undertake the action is theft.



    yes, yes, corporations are up in their corporate buildings being all corporationy, yes, I know. however the standard you are applying here is not about corporations, it is about whether or not an employee has the right to force their religious views upon the employer. Trade out "Burger King" with "Family Owned Restaurant", and the case you are trying to make here ceases to exist even though nothing has changed.



    On the contrary. Not only does my place of work specifically demand what pants, undershirt, shirt, socks, hat, and shoes I wear on any given day, it demands that I shave my face every morning and maintain a certain length of hair. Furthermore, if I refuse to do these things not only do they retain the right to fire me, they retain the right to throw me in jail. Ditto for working on Sunday.



    why would I seek to defy an organization for offering me a job that I will not take? haHAH-take that, megacorp! you think Chip-N-Dales is suffering because they have no cpwill on stage? am I suffering because I'm not up there?
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    Re: Christian Woman Fired from Burger King for Wearing Skirt Instead of Pants

    Quote Originally Posted by Muddy Creek View Post
    Thanks. Man, am I embarrassed. Shoulda read the article.

    Well, it would appear as though a manager would have interviewed her. Seems to be a leg to stand on here, then, doesn't it?
    It seems that way on first glance, but I'm sure there will be difficulty proving the claims. This case could go either way, but based on the need for BK to prove that her wearing a long skirt would be undue duress on the company, I'm tending to think her case is pretty strong.
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    Re: Christian Woman Fired from Burger King for Wearing Skirt Instead of Pants

    Quote Originally Posted by lizzie View Post
    It seems that way on first glance, but I'm sure there will be difficulty proving the claims. This case could go either way, but based on the need for BK to prove that her wearing a long skirt would be undue duress on the company, I'm tending to think her case is pretty strong.
    Oh yay!!! Perhaps she'll get all kinds of money, and then this will NEVER be a problem for her again. Everybody happy?

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    Re: Christian Woman Fired from Burger King for Wearing Skirt Instead of Pants

    Quote Originally Posted by Goshin View Post
    Holy crap, Will, you're in the MILITARY.... whole different kettle of fish...
    is it? Are my rights not being infringed?



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    Re: Christian Woman Fired from Burger King for Wearing Skirt Instead of Pants

    Quote Originally Posted by ChrisL View Post
    Oh yay!!! Perhaps she'll get all kinds of money, and then this will NEVER be a problem for her again. Everybody happy?
    Either outcome doesn't make my day. As for the money, I'm not too concerned. What I am concerned about is whether or not justice is applied with regards to the actual law, and not PC'd into unobjectivity.
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    Re: Christian Woman Fired from Burger King for Wearing Skirt Instead of Pants

    Quote Originally Posted by lizzie View Post
    It seems that way on first glance, but I'm sure there will be difficulty proving the claims. This case could go either way, but based on the need for BK to prove that her wearing a long skirt would be undue duress on the company, I'm tending to think her case is pretty strong.
    Not me. Corporations outdo religion in this corporate state. She had the option to NOT wear her skirt and accept her job. She doesn't say she mentioned what the first man told her. She opts for the religious freedom comment, which does not apply in this case. BK is not stopping her from practicing her religion. She has that right. She just can't wear her religious garb at work and must abide by the rules of the corporation. Think the Supreme Court will side AGAINST corporations?
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    ... the 20th century has been characterized by three developments of great political importance: The growth of democracy, the growth of corporate power, and the growth of corporate propaganda as a means of protecting corporate power against democracy.

    Australian social scientist, quoted by Noam Chomsky in World Orders Old and New

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