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    Re: Christian Woman Fired from Burger King for Wearing Skirt Instead of Pants

    Quote Originally Posted by ChrisL View Post
    I can understand the point you are trying to make here, where it would be easier for an employer to mistreat an employee because he or she might be desperate for a job and not in a position to just quit. Still though, I don't think it gets much worse than BK as far as pay rates go, and this does not negate the fact that if an employee is unhappy with his job, he or she can quit. Of course, I do think that employers should be held to standards too, but I still think this particular case is completely bogus, this girl probably does not NEED a job as she is a teenager and lives with her parents, she was most likely misinformed by another employee who was obviously unfamiliar with the dress code, BK has uniforms that are standard for everybody, and I think she just wants a payday. IMO, the employer should not have to cater to anybody's religious quirks.

    If the "religious quirk" is something that isn't going to prevent the employee from doing their job, or impair the job site's ability to function and do business, then making a MINOR accomodation to let the employee fulfill their deeply held beliefs is every bit as reasonable as letting an employee with foot problems wear orthotic shoes instead of company-issue shoes. To the person who holds such a belief, honoring the moral requirements of their religion is very important.

    I have no problem with a Sihk or a Muslim wearing a turban while they hand me fries and a burger. I have no problem with a Jew handing me my change while wearing a yamulka. Why the hell is this woman wanting to wear a long skirt a big deal?

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    Re: Christian Woman Fired from Burger King for Wearing Skirt Instead of Pants

    Quote Originally Posted by Goshin View Post
    If the "religious quirk" is something that isn't going to prevent the employee from doing their job, or impair the job site's ability to function and do business, then making a MINOR accomodation to let the employee fulfill their deeply held beliefs is every bit as reasonable as letting an employee with foot problems wear orthotic shoes instead of company-issue shoes. To the person who holds such a belief, honoring the moral requirements of their religion is very important.

    I have no problem with a Sihk or a Muslim wearing a turban while they hand me fries and a burger. I have no problem with a Jew handing me my change while wearing a yamulka. Why the hell is this woman wanting to wear a long skirt a big deal?

    Should BK have to accommodate a Hindu's belief system?

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    Re: Christian Woman Fired from Burger King for Wearing Skirt Instead of Pants

    Quote Originally Posted by Goshin View Post
    If the "religious quirk" is something that isn't going to prevent the employee from doing their job, or impair the job site's ability to function and do business, then making a MINOR accomodation to let the employee fulfill their deeply held beliefs is every bit as reasonable as letting an employee with foot problems wear orthotic shoes instead of company-issue shoes. To the person who holds such a belief, honoring the moral requirements of their religion is very important.

    I have no problem with a Sihk or a Muslim wearing a turban while they hand me fries and a burger. I have no problem with a Jew handing me my change while wearing a yamulka. Why the hell is this woman wanting to wear a long skirt a big deal?
    This is true, but I still think it is unreasonable to make a business accommodate for everybody's religious beliefs. Therefore, they should have to accommodate for NONE of them, unless they so choose. Personally, I couldn't care less who serves me my food or how they are dressed, as long as they are wearing clothing. I am coming at this strictly from the position that it is unfair to expect the business to accommodate for everyone, and they should have the option to say no religious apparel, jewelry, etc. at the workplace. That way, nobody can be angry, nobody can file lawsuits, etc. And orthopedic shoes and things like that are medical necessities. Apples and oranges.

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    Re: Christian Woman Fired from Burger King for Wearing Skirt Instead of Pants

    Quote Originally Posted by Kal'Stang View Post
    Gender Identity is either genetic or chemical. It is not a belief system. It is simply how you are. As such the two are not equivalent. One is chosen, the other is not. Religion is a belief system, something you can choose. I can understand having to make accomodations for such things as genetics, disorders, handicaps etc etc. But why should an employer have to make an accomodation for something which a person chooses to believe?



    I've yet to see a contract that can't override a persons rights. The only times the courts ever null a contract is when one party or another breaks that contract or requires that the person do something illegal, such as having a citizen kill/rape a person (extreme example but you get the drift) or the person was tricked/forced into the contract. The reason that the contracts can override a persons rights is because they agreed to the terms and conditions set forth in that contract. They voluntarily wave their rights.

    Now when you first get hired onto a job you are generally required to abide by a set of rules, most buisnesses make you sign the company rule handbook (or paper saying that you agree to follow that rulebook) before you start working now a days, your agreement to abide by those rules is a contract, be it a verbal contract or written. Now in this case I happen to know that BK does make you sign such a thing so there is probably evidence that she did sign it. And I would bet 100 dollars that no exceptions were noted down in that handbook which means she is still obligated to follow that rule book.

    IMO the girl may have standing to sue the guy that hired her for something or other because he was in the wrong, but BK? Thier dress code for normal employee's is applied universally with no discrimination. They should not be sued for non-discrimination.
    I can choose not to transition.. I would never be truly happy if I didnt so there isnt realistically be much of a choice. Same goes for her. She can choose to wear pants but if she does she believes she is going to anger god so she isnt going to make that choice.

    Im sorry but the law isnt on your side here. Employees still have rights that cannot be signed away on a contract.

    Religious Accommodation in the Workplace - Religious Freedom Resources

    Religious Accommodation

    What is a “reasonable accommodation”?
    A reasonable accommodation is one that eliminates the employee's conflict between his religious practices and work requirements and that does not cause an undue hardship for the employer.

    Requested accommodations vary - an employee may need a particular day off each year for a religious holiday; or to refrain from work every week on his or her Sabbath; or to wear religious garb; or to have a place to pray. An employer must try to arrange to allow the employee to meet these religious obligations.

    May an employee wear religious garb or symbols to work?
    Employers must attempt to accommodate employees who, for religious reasons, must maintain a particular physical appearance or manner of dress in keeping with the tenets of their religion. Again, accommodation is required only if it can be made without undue hardship to the employer. When it comes to religious apparel, typically only safety concerns constitute undue hardship.

    Oh and if you dont like that link for some reason here is a different one.

    http://www.eeoc.gov/laws/types/religion.cfm
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    Re: Christian Woman Fired from Burger King for Wearing Skirt Instead of Pants

    Quote Originally Posted by Spring99 View Post
    What would your thoughts be if this was a store owned by a Muslim and the owner required all women employees to wear a hijab and dress below their knees?
    I can tell you what I think of this... That it is fine. It's the owner and he gets to make the rules. If someone really wants to work there, and they can accept the dress code then go for it. If they do not want to have to dress that way, then find employment where they can dress the way they want to.

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    Re: Christian Woman Fired from Burger King for Wearing Skirt Instead of Pants

    Quote Originally Posted by 00timh View Post
    I can tell you what I think of this... That it is fine. It's the owner and he gets to make the rules. If someone really wants to work there, and they can accept the dress code then go for it. If they do not want to have to dress that way, then find employment where they can dress the way they want to.
    The owner does not get to make all the rules and the reason is we live in a society. No business can operate in a vacuum which does not receive benefits from a society.
    My main function as a Christian is to be the biggest possible jerk as a demonstration of the awe found in God's Grace and Forgiveness. (That love part comes in to play at some point)

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    Re: Christian Woman Fired from Burger King for Wearing Skirt Instead of Pants

    Quote Originally Posted by ChrisL View Post
    But what if the manager made a mistake or was not familiar with the rules? Why does BK have to support something that an employee erroneously told another potential employee?
    It's BK's job to make sure their hiring managers do know the rules. If not, that's BK's fault.
    There is nothing demonstrably true that religion can provide the world that cannot be achieved more rationally through entirely secular means.

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    Re: Christian Woman Fired from Burger King for Wearing Skirt Instead of Pants

    Quote Originally Posted by Fletch View Post
    I did read the link. And her beliefs are moronic
    That's true, they are, but that doesn't change the fact that she was told specifically that she could wear a skirt. Now, it's no longer religious accomodation, it's BK's policy, as explanied by a supposedly knowledgeable employee.
    There is nothing demonstrably true that religion can provide the world that cannot be achieved more rationally through entirely secular means.

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    Re: Christian Woman Fired from Burger King for Wearing Skirt Instead of Pants

    Quote Originally Posted by Cephus View Post
    It's BK's job to make sure their hiring managers do know the rules. If not, that's BK's fault.
    Maybe he or she was just a bad employee? You can give some people all the training in the world, and they still suck at their job.

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    Re: Christian Woman Fired from Burger King for Wearing Skirt Instead of Pants

    This is why businesses should be able to say no religious things in the workplace. That takes care of the whole problem. If someone doesn't like that, they can apply to a place that is better suited for their religious expressions.

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