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    Re: Christian Woman Fired from Burger King for Wearing Skirt Instead of Pants

    Quote Originally Posted by Omgitsme View Post
    When did I say that? I said it depends on the situation. As a personal example a company should have to accommodate my gender identity. Even if I am a genetic male I shouldnt have to follow the male dress code.
    Gender Identity is either genetic or chemical. It is not a belief system. It is simply how you are. As such the two are not equivalent. One is chosen, the other is not. Religion is a belief system, something you can choose. I can understand having to make accomodations for such things as genetics, disorders, handicaps etc etc. But why should an employer have to make an accomodation for something which a person chooses to believe?

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    It doesnt matter if there are other jobs available. Employees still have rights and employers still have to follow government regulations and guidelines for hiring procedures.

    In certain situations yes a contract can override a persons rights. Military service comes to mind. However I dont believe that a contract can override someones rights in most situations but I really dont know the legality of that.
    I've yet to see a contract that can't override a persons rights. The only times the courts ever null a contract is when one party or another breaks that contract or requires that the person do something illegal, such as having a citizen kill/rape a person (extreme example but you get the drift) or the person was tricked/forced into the contract. The reason that the contracts can override a persons rights is because they agreed to the terms and conditions set forth in that contract. They voluntarily wave their rights.

    Now when you first get hired onto a job you are generally required to abide by a set of rules, most buisnesses make you sign the company rule handbook (or paper saying that you agree to follow that rulebook) before you start working now a days, your agreement to abide by those rules is a contract, be it a verbal contract or written. Now in this case I happen to know that BK does make you sign such a thing so there is probably evidence that she did sign it. And I would bet 100 dollars that no exceptions were noted down in that handbook which means she is still obligated to follow that rule book.

    IMO the girl may have standing to sue the guy that hired her for something or other because he was in the wrong, but BK? Thier dress code for normal employee's is applied universally with no discrimination. They should not be sued for non-discrimination.
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    Re: Christian Woman Fired from Burger King for Wearing Skirt Instead of Pants

    Quote Originally Posted by Jerry View Post
    I can't fault you for that since that's been my position on carrying a gun at work (I've been considering carrying one to collage since it's not illegal, but it's absolutely against the collage's rules. If I get discovered, I'll be expelled, but if I need it and don't have it, I could get killed).

    It's quite likely this young lady's family is more like us than we realize. She's going to do what she wants regardless, and she'll see whoever doesn't like it in court.
    But would you sue the college if they expelled you for carrying the gun?
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    Re: Christian Woman Fired from Burger King for Wearing Skirt Instead of Pants

    Quote Originally Posted by X Factor View Post
    First rule of college, learn to spell college. Just ****ing with you, man.
    Maybe when English starts following it's own rules, then others can be expected to.

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    Re: Christian Woman Fired from Burger King for Wearing Skirt Instead of Pants

    I would support her, especially in light of the fact that she was assured she could do it. If nothing else, the Burger King employee misrepresented the position. A skirt isn't going to kill anyone and I doubt they can show it's a security or safety hazard.

    I say leave her alone.
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    Re: Christian Woman Fired from Burger King for Wearing Skirt Instead of Pants

    Quote Originally Posted by Aderleth View Post
    I don't have a whole lot of sympathy for this sort of thing. If your religion forbids you from doing things, or wearing things related to a specific job, get another job. If you can't get another job, tough ****. It's your own damn fault, and there's no good reason an employer should have to change their own practices to support your religion. This case reminds me of the following:

    Muslim Cab Drivers Refuse to Transport Alcohol, and Dogs - ABC News
    I agree in cases like that, where the religion gets in the way of the fundamental functions of the job, something the employee ought to have known beforehand, but in this case, it's wearing a skirt instead of pants. So what?
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    Re: Christian Woman Fired from Burger King for Wearing Skirt Instead of Pants

    Quote Originally Posted by Your Star View Post
    I hate to do this, but if this was a muslim woman being fired for wearing a hijab I'm pretty sure this would be a VERY different thread.
    Depends on the circumstances. If she was up-front about her desire to wear one and the hiring manager told her she could, I'd be on her side too. However, if she just showed up one day wearing one and declared it her religious right, I'd be holding the door open when they kicked her ass out.
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    Re: Christian Woman Fired from Burger King for Wearing Skirt Instead of Pants

    Quote Originally Posted by Kal'Stang View Post
    But would you sue the college if they expelled you for carrying the gun?
    I wouldn't have grounds. If I get caught, I get expelled, just like if I get caught at work I can get fired. If I join the Army I can be deployed and possibly killed. If I have sex I may have another child to raise. If I'm rude to member in-thread there may be some infraction points waiting form me when I log in next time.

    I'm not trying to drag in all sorts of other topics, I'm only trying to show that one has to accept the consequences for their actions, or not do the action in the first place.

    Related to BK, as I originally posted when I joined this thread, I think both sides are wrong. The teen knew (just from living in the aria and knowing what BK is, aka common sense) that pants were part of the uniform. When she applied, she knew she would have to wear pants. She shouldn't be crying about being turned away.

    The other side of it is BK knew they have to accommodate all kinds of religious practices, so they shouldn't have turned her away for that. Once she passed the interview, whether she told them about wearing a skirt or not, whether the interviewer approved a skirt or not, BK knew that they would get sued at that point, so the store manager should have just allowed the skirt so as to avoid the lawsuit. There are several better ways BK could have handled this. They could have let the teen work for a few weeks and then let her go "without cause"; they could have made up some lame 'causes' which would have been just good enough to avoid wrongful termination; the store manager could have made a store policy allowing it and then send word to corporate for them to deal with it, etc. So even if this teen is just a gold digger, BK ****ed up and fell into the trap, so I'm calling their lawsuit "stupid tax" because BK knows better.

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    Re: Christian Woman Fired from Burger King for Wearing Skirt Instead of Pants

    Quote Originally Posted by Cephus View Post
    I agree in cases like that, where the religion gets in the way of the fundamental functions of the job, something the employee ought to have known beforehand, but in this case, it's wearing a skirt instead of pants. So what?
    Maybe she should just find another job. LOL! I think she wants money. I mean, come on, it's Burger King!

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    Re: Christian Woman Fired from Burger King for Wearing Skirt Instead of Pants

    Quote Originally Posted by ChrisL View Post
    Maybe she should just find another job. LOL! I think she wants money. I mean, come on, it's Burger King!
    I'm sure she will find another job but in this case, Burger King was just wrong. When your employees, who are officially representing your company, tell someone something in an official capacity, which any hiring manager is doing, it becomes policy. If they told her she could wear a skirt, she can wear a skirt. If anyone ought to be out on the street, it ought to be the person who violate the trust of the company by passing on bad information.
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    Re: Christian Woman Fired from Burger King for Wearing Skirt Instead of Pants

    Quote Originally Posted by Cephus View Post
    I'm sure she will find another job but in this case, Burger King was just wrong. When your employees, who are officially representing your company, tell someone something in an official capacity, which any hiring manager is doing, it becomes policy. If they told her she could wear a skirt, she can wear a skirt. If anyone ought to be out on the street, it ought to be the person who violate the trust of the company by passing on bad information.
    Yes, I think that's where the mistake lies. With the employee who told her it would be alright to wear a skirt, when it obviously isn't. That employee should lose his/her job for giving this potential employee false information, and Burger King shouldn't have to cater to this person who just wants to make a buck. I don't think companies should have to make "special" accommodations because of somebody's religious beliefs.

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