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    Re: Christian Woman Fired from Burger King for Wearing Skirt Instead of Pants

    Quote Originally Posted by Mya View Post
    Why?

    It's simple...she brakes the dress code + she is rightfully fired + she doesn't like it + she wants money + she sues.

    That's it in a nutshell
    Problem with that is she did not sue ......the US government sued on her behalf....



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    Re: Christian Woman Fired from Burger King for Wearing Skirt Instead of Pants

    Quote Originally Posted by Spring99 View Post
    What would your thoughts be if this was a store owned by a Muslim and the owner required all women employees to wear a hijab and dress below their knees?
    I would also be very upset and disgusted.

    Like I said several threads ago ... left or right ... any sort of fundamentalism from any religion I find abhorrent. I respect but I find abhorrent.

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    Re: Christian Woman Fired from Burger King for Wearing Skirt Instead of Pants

    Quote Originally Posted by Mya View Post
    I would also be very upset and disgusted.

    Like I said several threads ago ... left or right ... any sort of fundamentalism from any religion I find abhorrent. I respect but I find abhorrent.
    I don't see why they can't give the ladies an option of pants or a skirt. If they are a good employee and hard worker, you would think they would make exceptions especially for religious commitments.

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    Re: Christian Woman Fired from Burger King for Wearing Skirt Instead of Pants

    Quote Originally Posted by Jerry View Post
    Your slope, it's slippery.
    It's an ugly truth. The DEA has always pushed against religious use of controlled substances for this very reason. Any religious claim and you can ignore state and federal laws on controlled substances.

    What's your argument that "My religion says this, therefore your policy must go" stops with just BK?
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    Re: Christian Woman Fired from Burger King for Wearing Skirt Instead of Pants

    Quote Originally Posted by Blackdog View Post
    Ahh, not trying anything. Just what I have observed from far right and left extremest. Hell Hatuey, you have seen it as well. God knows you have been here long enough.
    And I've made it a point ALWAYS put professionalism before personal desires regardless of one's religion or non-religion or even personal looks. Maybe 4-5 years ago when I was far more liberal than I am today. But here is a post I found on myself about 3 years ago with me discussing braids at the work place:

    Quote Originally Posted by Hatuey View Post
    If you're over 16, any race and have a job or plan on having a job. You shouldn't have braids, dreads, mohawks, fauxhawks, buns, etc. But that's just me. Some things just don't look professional. Erykah Badu having an afro? Understandable. She's an artist. Michelle Obama having a fro? Bit unbecoming of a first lady. Obama's kids having braids or fros? Don't really care. They are kids.
    Quote Originally Posted by Hatuey View Post
    To me they remind me too much of some of my less, refined friends in California. I associate braids with gangbanging(Being in a gang. Not the other one) and Fros are for me associated with the 60s and 70s black power movements. It's also a matter of aesthetics. I know many people who have 'afros' and work in very professional environments however to me they simply don't look 'clean'. But it's not a race thing. It's just my own perception of what looks good in a professional working environment and what doesn't.
    http://www.debatepolitics.com/archiv...post1057704662

    If you're older then 20 years old, you should not be allowed to sport braids or mullets.
    http://www.debatepolitics.com/archiv...tml#post634717

    Depends what you mean. I find that earrings suit me. The kind I wear go well with the clothes I wear when I have to do a presentation to a client or when I'm in a meeting. If I wore really big studs I doubt it would look as attractive. Either way it's a lot easier then having dreads or braids. I had to cut my hair off when I first started working. That for me was worse then taking off my earrings. Now I just keep it either lined up or geled up when it gets past an inch. If you work in areas where visual appearance is everything having untidy hair is a lot worse then having piercings or tattoos.
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    Re: Christian Woman Fired from Burger King for Wearing Skirt Instead of Pants

    Quote Originally Posted by Omgitsme View Post
    Depends on the job. If it pays well enough or if its all that I can find or if I enjoy the job enough then yes I would apply at a business that violates some of my beliefs.
    Of your own free will?

    Quote Originally Posted by Omgitsme View Post
    And your question is irrelevant. First off she was told she could wear a skirt before she was hired. And secondly im sure she didnt think wearing a long skirt would be against the dress code in a fast food place. In fact im pretty sure ive seen an employee at a local BK wearing a long skirt. So no this isnt her fault in any way shape or form. Wanting to wear a skirt for religious reasons is not an unreasonable request nor an uncommon one as far as I can tell.
    So maybe you will answer the question this time. Lord knows I've asked it enough.

    DOES THE GUY THAT DID THE HIRING HAVE THE AUTHORITY TO CHANGE COMPANY POLICY? Just because he told her that she could does not mean that he had the authority to do so.
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    Re: Christian Woman Fired from Burger King for Wearing Skirt Instead of Pants

    Quote Originally Posted by Omgitsme View Post
    She didnt know the dress code before being hired. She was told wearing skirts is ok. I checked the BK website where you apply for a job and couldnt find any mention of a dress code.
    What? She live under a rock? She never been to a BK before? Or any other buisness where they have dress codes? Oh wait, she should understand all about dress codes since she lives by one.
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    Re: Christian Woman Fired from Burger King for Wearing Skirt Instead of Pants

    Quote Originally Posted by Kal'Stang View Post
    Of your own free will?



    So maybe you will answer the question this time. Lord knows I've asked it enough.

    DOES THE GUY THAT DID THE HIRING HAVE THE AUTHORITY TO CHANGE COMPANY POLICY? Just because he told her that she could does not mean that he had the authority to do so.
    Yes of my own free will. A job is about making money for me. And if that job is good enough and it isnt violating something like murdering kids or something then sure I would take it.

    That isnt the question you asked me. Here is what you asked me.

    "Does this girl not have any accountability for her actions? Can she not make decisions as to where she works? And don't give me the whole speild about job scarcity. The girl was 17 years old. No doubt still living with her parents which provided and cared for her."

    But no he doesnt have the authority to change company policy. You claimed that she knew there would be a problem with her wearing a skirt and I showed how she was told that it wasnt a problem.

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    Re: Christian Woman Fired from Burger King for Wearing Skirt Instead of Pants

    Quote Originally Posted by Kal'Stang View Post
    What? She live under a rock? She never been to a BK before? Or any other buisness where they have dress codes? Oh wait, she should understand all about dress codes since she lives by one.
    Again she was told wearing a skirt would be ok. She did not think wearing a skirt would have been a problem. Also im pretty sure ive seen women wear skirts while working at BK before.

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    Re: Christian Woman Fired from Burger King for Wearing Skirt Instead of Pants

    Quote Originally Posted by Risky Thicket View Post
    IMHO the issue will be whether the lady was informed or not prior to employment. How do they determine a he said/she said? I have no idea.

    As far as I am concerned, the only people with rock solid credentials in solving a he said/she said arguments are moms. Somehow moms know that ****. My mom could cut through that sort of thing with my brothers and me in a second. Same with my ex-wife and my kids.



    Just because EEOC accepts the complaint doesn't mean it is going anywhere. I can't imagine that BK hasn't been down this road before. Of course we don't know if the store in question was corporate or franchised and we don't know the legal support, yada yada, BK would provide a franchisee in this situation.

    It will be interesting if we ever hear how the complaint is resolved, as apparently nothing involving the employee's attire and BK's dress code was put in writing.
    It appears (to me) that the issue will be around whether or not accomodating her religious beliefs, with regard to dress, is putting an undue burden on BK. My guess is that she will win, but I'm no legal sumbitch either.
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