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    Re: Christian Woman Fired from Burger King for Wearing Skirt Instead of Pants

    Quote Originally Posted by Risky Thicket View Post
    I don't know about you, but I'm not stupid enough to hire someone who is going to likely be fired. That's not fair to the employee nor to the business. You hire people to stay, not to leave. Firing people also costs you money.

    Personally, I don't care what religion anyone practices as long as they practice it away from my business. Employees must conform to a dress code, which being Arizona is very casual. I make the decisions, along with the board of directors, as to the direction the business with take. It is to our business advantage not to project any religious preference or support. Our clients' religious preferences are their private business and I don't care. I really don't. I don't want to offend them personally or professionally. What would be the point in that?

    If the most talented and most qualified person ever interviewed applies for a job opening with an OM symbol tattooed on his hand and the guy is dressed like the Dalia Lama he's not getting the job. It is not the imagine we work to project.
    Who said anything about hiring people who are likely to be fired? If during the hiring process you feel like their religion is going to interfere with their job then dont hire them. In this case wearing a skirt isnt going to interfere with her job performance nor does it look unprofessional nor is a skirt a religious article of clothing.

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    Re: Christian Woman Fired from Burger King for Wearing Skirt Instead of Pants

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    One person said that she could. And no one has yet to show whether this person had the authority to change company policy or not. And AGAIN the person that sent her home did not know about her religion. Nor did he care about it one way or another. He was just enforcing company policy.
    How could he have known about her religion when she brought it up? The fact that they can't make a simple accommodation just proves that they are assholes with no thought to understanding.
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    Re: Christian Woman Fired from Burger King for Wearing Skirt Instead of Pants

    Quote Originally Posted by Connery View Post
    Once again I will post these facts: "According to the EEOC’s lawsuit, (Civil Action No. 3:12-cv-03169-M), filed in the U.S. District Court for the Northern District of Texas, Ashanti McShan, a member of the Pentecostal Church, adheres to an interpretation of the scripture about the wearing of clothing that is befitting of specific gender. She informed the company of this aspect of her faith during the job interview, and was told that she could work in a skirt instead of the Burger King uniform pants. However, the EEOC said, when Ms. McShan arrived at orientation, she was told by store management that her skirt was an unacceptable alternative and subsequently sent home"

    Grand Prairie Burger King Franchisee Sued by EEOC for Religious Discrimination

    Kindly note the investigative procedures done by the EEOC in order to issue any type of determination. It is an intensive fact finding mission according to statute and procedure. The EEOC rarely files on behalf of an individual, indeed, they issue a "Right To Sue" letter and lets the individual file.



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    Thanks, I've read them several times. I'm aware of the EEOC SOPs. I also know from personal experience that the EEOC can be hobbled by its own people, on several levels, over months of investigation, up to and including case manager and EEOC attorneys. In one instance it was a blatant misinterpretation of the law, and in another it was its own complete ignorance and non-complaince of civil law. I'm not an attorney, and even though I am a victim Southern education I somehow learned to read.

    The complaint is not about religion and it will not be determined on the basis of religion.

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    Re: Christian Woman Fired from Burger King for Wearing Skirt Instead of Pants

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    Re: Christian Woman Fired from Burger King for Wearing Skirt Instead of Pants

    Quote Originally Posted by Omgitsme View Post
    Who said anything about hiring people who are likely to be fired? If during the hiring process you feel like their religion is going to interfere with their job then dont hire them. In this case wearing a skirt isnt going to interfere with her job performance nor does it look unprofessional nor is a skirt a religious article of clothing.
    I said "anything about hiring people who are likely to be fired". If during the hiring process I feel like fundamentalism is going to interfere with my business I won't hire them. Agreed.

    My position is that if BK has a dress code and if she was informed prior to her employment that she must conform to that dress code as a condition of employment then she conforms or she doesn't work. That is the sum total of my position.

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    As to a dress not being an article of religious clothing; it is moot in my opinion.

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    Re: Christian Woman Fired from Burger King for Wearing Skirt Instead of Pants

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    Re: Christian Woman Fired from Burger King for Wearing Skirt Instead of Pants

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    How could he have known about her religion when she brought it up? The fact that they can't make a simple accommodation just proves that they are assholes with no thought to understanding.
    Why should they have to make an accomodation? Because the law says so? I think we both know how you feel about that perspective. So why should they have to make an accomodation? Does she not bear some kind of accountability in this? She is the one that applied for the job after all.
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    Re: Christian Woman Fired from Burger King for Wearing Skirt Instead of Pants

    Quote Originally Posted by Risky Thicket View Post
    I said "anything about hiring people who are likely to be fired". If during the hiring process I feel like fundamentalism is going to interfere with my business I won't hire them. Agreed.

    My position is that if BK has a dress code and if she was informed prior to her employment that she must conform to that dress code as a condition of employment then she conforms or she doesn't work. That is the sum total of my position.

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    As to a dress not being an article of religious clothing; it is moot in my opinion.
    Agree with most of that statement. But I dont believe you should have to conform to a dress code that violates your religion unless it interferes with job performance to not do so.

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    Re: Christian Woman Fired from Burger King for Wearing Skirt Instead of Pants

    Quote Originally Posted by Connery View Post
    Once again I will post these facts: "According to the EEOCís lawsuit, (Civil Action No. 3:12-cv-03169-M), filed in the U.S. District Court for the Northern District of Texas, Ashanti McShan, a member of the Pentecostal Church, adheres to an interpretation of the scripture about the wearing of clothing that is befitting of specific gender. She informed the company of this aspect of her faith during the job interview, and was told that she could work in a skirt instead of the Burger King uniform pants. However, the EEOC said, when Ms. McShan arrived at orientation, she was told by store management that her skirt was an unacceptable alternative and subsequently sent home"

    Grand Prairie Burger King Franchisee Sued by EEOC for Religious Discrimination

    Kindly note the investigative procedures done by the EEOC in order to issue any type of determination. It is an intensive fact finding mission according to statute and procedure. The EEOC rarely files on behalf of an individual, indeed, they issue a "Right To Sue" letter and lets the individual file.



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    So the EEOC is never wrong? They're always right?
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    Re: Christian Woman Fired from Burger King for Wearing Skirt Instead of Pants

    If your religion requires a certain mode of dress, it makes sense not to apply for a job where that requirement will be compromised. This smacks of Christianist jihad by lawsuit.
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